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Tesla test drove one of its cars in California just recently. It drove continuously and only stopped for recharges and maintenance, such replace tires, brakes etc. It drove for 340,000 miles with only a 9% degradation of its batteries.
How much of a percentage drop in range over the same period did an ICE vehicle experience?
And I'll say it again. The refineries are still there if for no other reason than to supply:
- plastics for the vehicles
- as well as the asphalt for road surfaces, which deteriorate rapidly
- nevermind kerosene for jet aircraft, etc. (Then what do you do with other lighter byproduct, e.g., gasoline?)
Much of the transmission infrastructure is servicing that, and won't change. Any other widened transmission to accommodate home and street recharging must be newly constructed from scratch. Service stations requiring even more land area for drivers to wait around while their vehicles are plugged into transformers.
BTW, most governments make it difficult to be off the electrical utility grid even with one's own PV array. California is one state among many where grid defection with your own generation capacity is not allowed: http://www.cailaw.org/media/files/IE...n-vol10no1.pdf
Tesla test drove one of its cars in California just recently. It drove continuously and only stopped for recharges and maintenance, such replace tires, brakes etc. It drove for 340,000 miles with only a 9% degradation of its batteries.
i assume this is what you're talking about?
13% actually, but still pretty good.
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After putting over 350,000 miles on Deuxy, Tesloop recorded a 13% degradation in the capacity of the battery — compared to the range per charge it had when new. That translates to a range of 215 miles / 346 kilometers at a 95% charge today compared to 247 miles / 398 kilometers at 95% when it was new. It’s not exciting to see that much degradation, but considering that it has essentially been put into the torture chamber of high utilization and Supercharging in just a few years, it’s not bad. https://cleantechnica.com/2019/01/28...n-maintenance/
Judging by this post, I'd say that you either are against EVs or you have not kept up with recent advances in this technology.
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Just think that attempting to force the technology into existence before it's actually feasible through wishful thinking is rather sophomoric.
It is feasible now, and has been for awhile
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And the energy used to power the batteries still had to come from someplace.
Of course it does..., but even with power provided by coal EVs are more efficient
According to the US Department of Energy’s Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy, “EVs convert about 59%–62% of the electrical energy from the grid to power at the wheels. Conventional gasoline vehicles only convert about 17%–21% of the energy stored in gasoline to power at the wheels.”
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Then you have to think about things like recharge time, battery longevity and not to mention how to replace revenue lost to reduced fuel use/taxation.
The German man is the proud owner of a Model S P85, one of the oldest versions of the vehicle. On July 14, he tweeted two images showing that the odometer on his car displayed 900,000 kilometers (559,350 miles) — setting the new world mileage record for any model Tesla.Jul 16, 2019....Can an ICE vehicle do that, and how many oil changes would be required?...Or how many engines?
Re taxation... Taxes aren't mentioned on the company's bills. Con Ed says they account for 25% to 30% of its customers' bills.
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And your Volt cost the taxpayers double what you paid for it.
Says who? There is no tax credit on a Volt, although the purchaser pays a sales tax.
And I'll say it again. The refineries are still there if for no other reason than to supply:
- plastics for the vehicles
- as well as the asphalt for road surfaces, which deteriorate rapidly
- nevermind kerosene for jet aircraft, etc. (Then what do you do with other lighter byproduct, e.g., gasoline?)
Much of the transmission infrastructure is servicing that, and won't change. Any other widened transmission and to accommodate home and street recharging must be newly constructed from scratch. Service stations requiring even more land area for drivers to wait around while their vehicles are plugged into transformers.
BTW, most governments make it difficult to be off the electrical utility grid even with one's own PV array..
All excellent points. To the last one. My Electric Utility mandates that I be a customer and attached to their grid. My neighbor is a licensed union electrician in which his bother, another licensed union electrician share the home. They bought the solar panels wholesale and installed the entire system themselves. They had no choice to stay connect to the electric utility because the solar panels weren't enough to power the home and are too intermittent but also because the utility mandated they be connected. They estimate their payback to be 15 years even installing the system AT COST.
Once more - when the EV offers noticeable and measurable improvement over ICE vehicles, across the board, and to the majority of consumers, then adoption will happen without anyone cheerleading for it or the government exerting force on anyone.
Until that noticeable and measurable improvement occurs, across the board, EVs will remain a niche product. That's how progress works regardless of good, service or technology.
Within 20 years electric vehicles of all kinds will be prevalent and much more affordable then a gas engine. In someways they are more affordable now.
Sounds good. But we have not even discussed how much lithium is available on the planet.
If the US, and other developed nations, were to go all electric, not just with cars, but also switching over to the exclusive use of solar and wind, all of which will require lithium batteries. We'd be stripping the world of its precious metal resources, which are finite. All because people wanted to push battery powered electric vehicles. EV's, wind and solar, practically speaking, all require precious metals batteries.
Hybrid vehicles will be the way of the future. All electric is a pipe dream, it's an economic, ecological, logistics and infrastructure nightmare.
This is wishful thinking. Electric cars depend upon materials that get far more expensive as volume goes up. Without significant government interference in the market to force these vehicles on people, what you said can't happen.
Both the federal government and the private sector have invested in electric cars. The private side, not so much at first but are in it big time now. The fed does it long term because the private sector yearns for short term profit by and large. Investors want their quarterly profits now, not 10 years down the road. The fed has done this with many other products.
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