Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 12-03-2019, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Flyover Country
26,211 posts, read 19,532,369 times
Reputation: 21679

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by sanspeur View Post
That is so cool, and so un-American.

 
Old 12-03-2019, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
23,856 posts, read 13,761,687 times
Reputation: 15482
Quote:
Originally Posted by Annandale_Man View Post
Try getting that approved by your HOA.
So don't live in an HOA then. I never have. And never will.
 
Old 12-03-2019, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
33,554 posts, read 37,155,629 times
Reputation: 14016
Quote:
Originally Posted by Volobjectitarian View Post
Once more - when the EV offers noticeable and measurable improvement over ICE vehicles, across the board, and to the majority of consumers, then adoption will happen without anyone cheerleading for it or the government exerting force on anyone.

Until that noticeable and measurable improvement occurs, across the board, EVs will remain a niche product. That's how progress works regardless of good, service or technology.
What specific improvements would satisfy you?
 
Old 12-03-2019, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
34,237 posts, read 18,594,984 times
Reputation: 25807
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wapasha View Post
Sounds good. But we have not even discussed how much lithium is available on the planet.

If the US, and other developed nations, were to go all electric, not just with cars, but also switching over to the exclusive use of solar and wind, all of which will require lithium batteries. We'd be stripping the world of its precious metal resources, which are finite. All because people wanted to push battery powered electric vehicles. EV's, wind and solar, practically speaking, all require precious metals batteries.

Hybrid vehicles will be the way of the future. All electric is a pipe dream, it's an economic, ecological, logistics and infrastructure nightmare.

Exactly but the MMGW Zealots are obsessed with "Zero Carbon Footprint" because their priests have told then so. I guess it doesn't matter that most electricity is generated by Fossil Fuel. A plug in hybrid is a good compromise as it gets better mileage but has none of the infrastructure upheaval an EV has.
 
Old 12-03-2019, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
39,875 posts, read 26,526,580 times
Reputation: 25777
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wapasha View Post
People don't realize how much additional power generation we would need to accommodate large scale electric car ownership. Then of course there will be additional transmission lines and electrical substations to deliver all this new power. What will the power generation be, natural gas, or nuclear?

Even stores would need to install a great many charging stations to attract more customers, unless they only want to serve customers who live in a few mile radius. These charging stations won't be free, which means your local grocery store will now be entering the energy business.

People who drive an electric car twenty or more miles to go to work, watch a movie, go shopping, etc... will want to be able to recharge. It's not exactly a 10 minute process to fully charge an electric car. How will this be accomplished? Will grocery stores have charging stations?

The average gasoline powered car has around a 400 mile range with a full tank, and it takes about ten minutes to refill that tank. electric cars have a shorter range and take longer to recharge.

In my opinion, this is why all electric battery operated cars are a fairy tale, and will never be a viable option for the future.
It's really hard to figure out a niche where they really make sense. Due to range limitations, and the small, uncomfortable size, they are typically relegated to short trips around urban/suburban areas. But if you only drive say 30 miles a day, comparable-sized gas cars will do that on less than a gallon of fuel a day. So...is it really worth the extra up-front cost, charging hassles and range limitations to save $2.50 a day (not counting electric costs, so actually less)? Many Americans live in rental property; it's not exactly reasonable to expect landlords to absorb the cost of installing charging stations for all their tenants. And of course most people are going to charge at night when they get home from work. These are times when the sun is down, meaning you're not charging off solar. You're charging off fossil, fission or hydro-take your pick. Even the wind tends to die down at night.
 
Old 12-03-2019, 09:16 AM
 
10,513 posts, read 5,170,583 times
Reputation: 14056
Quote:
Originally Posted by sanspeur View Post
100% for ice vehicle....Engine died.
Ha ha ... You know that after 340,000 miles that ICE engine will be on its second set of pistons, valves, crankshaft bearings, timing belt, transmission, water pump, spark plugs, etc. etc.... and its third turbo if it had one. Not to mention roughly 40 oil changes during that time period.

It's very simple: reliability is inversely proportional to complexity. That's where the EV wins due to it's much lower parts count.
 
Old 12-03-2019, 09:21 AM
 
8,633 posts, read 9,142,888 times
Reputation: 5990
Quote:
Originally Posted by uggabugga View Post
i assume this is what you're talking about?

13% actually, but still pretty good.
Most likely the article I read. One must also consider the low maintenance cost of this tesla driving over 350,000 miles. I have no doubts a regular car would have incurred a much larger maintenance cost, most likely major mechanical issues.
 
Old 12-03-2019, 09:22 AM
 
2,495 posts, read 868,168 times
Reputation: 986
Quote:
Originally Posted by Elliott_CA View Post
Ha ha ... You know that after 340,000 miles that ICE engine will be on its second set of pistons, valves, crankshaft bearings, timing belt, transmission, water pump, spark plugs, etc. etc.... and its third turbo if it had one. Not to mention roughly 40 oil changes during that time period.

It's very simple: reliability is inversely proportional to complexity. That's where the EV wins due to it's much lower parts count.
Bearings still need grease. So do racks and pinions. So do suspensions. Your EV ride is going to pretty teeth rattling and performance degraded without them. Especially on roads where there's no more asphalt (from decommissioned oil refineries) to resurface with.

You going to use your food topsoil to grow plant-based lubricants? Are they moisture and heat resistant? You're going to be standing in more lines than the Soviets did.
 
Old 12-03-2019, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
33,554 posts, read 37,155,629 times
Reputation: 14016
Quote:
Originally Posted by eastriver View Post
Bearings still need grease. So do racks and pinions. So do suspensions. Your EV ride is going to pretty teeth rattling and performance degraded without them.

You going to use your food topsoil to grow plant-based lubricants? Are they moisture and heat resistant? You're going to be standing in more lines than the Soviets did.
What time period do you live in? Modern cars have sealed parts and do not require regular grease jobs.
 
Old 12-03-2019, 09:34 AM
 
10,513 posts, read 5,170,583 times
Reputation: 14056
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wapasha View Post
All electric is a pipe dream, it's an economic, ecological, logistics and infrastructure nightmare.
Nearly all automakers disagree with you. They have and are investing BILLIONS in tooling up factories to build EVs. They are racing to market with new EV models WORLDWIDE. That is not an exaggeration.

Once consumers figure out that EVs last longer than ICE with a lot less maintenance, they'll adopt them in increasing numbers.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Closed Thread


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:19 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top