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Old 12-07-2019, 05:40 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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I said the same thing till I drove one. An EV is unbelievable. So I bought a heavily-discounted brand-new 2019 Chevy Bolt EV to see what it's like to own one. $10k tax rebates to come on my 2019 tax return.

The Bolt is now my primary around-town driver. My gearhead buds now call me Sparkie. I said "Hey Rusty... let's do a one-on-one run with your '78 Corvette. Winner takes both." He wouldn't do it.
Yep, once you take a modern EV for a spin, you can't help but be impressed. I definitely believe the Tesla Model 3 dual motor to be the best car in its price range and class due to:
-incredible acceleration
-excellent handling
-outstanding sound system
-comfortable seats
-best tech available
-unbeatable fuel efficicncy

The Bolt is also a very well done car.

Yes there are disadvantages of EV's but they are being addressed.

 
Old 12-07-2019, 07:01 AM
 
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Well, tile roofs have been around since CA became a state and probably much longer. There was a point when the solar guys would not put solar panels on tile roofs. However, after a number of years these solar guys figured out a non-destructive way to install solar panels on tile roofs.

Tesla glass roofs (which look great in pictures) are relatively new. I have not seen one on a house here in San Diego and I'm always looking. If you install one, I'm sure you'll find a talented non-Tesla roof repairman willing to walk on it but:
1. Make sure you are over-insured for property liability (first lawsuits usually cost a lot to defend and can result in mega awards)
2. Make sure the roofer is licensed, bonded, and heavily insured. Ask to see copies of all three. Verify with their agents.
3. Call Tesla and ask them how long it would take and how much it would cost to fix a cracked Tesla glass roof. Tesla does not like to produce warehouse inventory parts. You may be without a solar system and a functional roof for a long time.

I went with generic rooftop panels. Other then the ugly look, I am very satisfied with the solar panels. When I heard about the high cost and delicate maintenance of a Tesla glass roof, I passed. Btw... my Cybertruck is on order. Tesla told me I have a 2-3 year wait.
So are you saying the roof is dangerous electric wise? Or that there is just no one to fix it?
 
Old 12-07-2019, 07:06 AM
 
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Perhaps its already been brought up in this discussion but how is an EV going to have any value a few years down the road when the owner has to incur a substantial cost to replace the battery & pay to dispose of the old one?

When the batteries are good for 1,000 miles on a charge and will last for 100,000 miles then I might be interested. I will add I am talking an F150 type pickup truck.
The current Tesla battery will last longer than your lifetime. I think your ignorance is showing by assuming it's the same kind of battery as a normal car battery.
 
Old 12-07-2019, 07:07 AM
 
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Perhaps its already been brought up in this discussion but how is an EV going to have any value a few years down the road when the owner has to incur a substantial cost to replace the battery & pay to dispose of the old one?

When the batteries are good for 1,000 miles on a charge and will last for 100,000 miles then I might be interested. I will add I am talking an F150 type pickup truck.
The batteries already last a long time. With Tesla it's warranty is 8 years or 125K miles.

What happens in real life with an older car needing a battery if it's off warranty, is a used battery as a replacement, much cheaper. There are many more wrecks with usable salvaged batteries than battery failures.
 
Old 12-07-2019, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Hiding from Antifa!
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The drivers waiting an hour in Kettleman City, CA didn't need engineers to tell them they were stranded for an hour driving a car with a depleted electric battery that need to be plugged into a transformer with a glacial wait time.
Imagine how it might have been during the time the power companies were shutting down the grid to avoid starting wild fires? Don't count on your EV to evacuate. Just die.
 
Old 12-07-2019, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Imagine how it might have been during the time the power companies were shutting down the grid to avoid starting wild fires? Don't count on your EV to evacuate. Just die.

The risk is not just power outages. If government mandates EV's which they are doing in various jurisdictions, we will not have the Generation, nor Distribution capacity to meet the increased DEMAND. Also, the recharging infrastructure would be impossible to build due to the huge land requirements for so many charging stations with cars sitting at them for much longer times than it takes to fill up a gas tank.
 
Old 12-07-2019, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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The risk is not just power outages. If government mandates EV's which they are doing in various jurisdictions, we will not have the Generation, nor Distribution capacity to meet the increased DEMAND. Also, the recharging infrastructure would be impossible to build due to the huge land requirements for so many charging stations with cars sitting at them for much longer times than it takes to fill up a gas tank.
That's interesting, I hadn't heard that. Which jurisdictions would those be, and how is the mandate enforced?
 
Old 12-07-2019, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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That's interesting, I hadn't heard that. Which jurisdictions would those be, and how is the mandate enforced?

You need to educate yourself. The ONLY reasons EV's will increase significantly un number is that Government is FORCING people to by them, or take public transportation which not all of us have access to.


Germany


https://electrek.co/2016/06/14/all-n...-germany-2030/


California and Colorado will be adopting a zero emissions policy.


https://www.ttnews.com/articles/colo...-vehicle-sales


London is mandating by government edict huge increases in infrastructure. Eventually to outlaw ICE vehicles.


https://www.fleeteurope.com/en/new-e...=London&curl=1


Nine other countries are going to Internal Combustion Vehicles.


https://qz.com/1341155/nine-countrie...-law-to-do-so/
 
Old 12-07-2019, 07:55 AM
 
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The current Tesla battery will last longer than your lifetime. ...
Not true.

https://www.businessinsider.com/mill...fetime-2019-11
 
Old 12-07-2019, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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Originally Posted by Pilot1 View Post
You need to educate yourself. The ONLY reasons EV's will increase significantly un number is that Government is FORCING people to by them, or take public transportation which not all of us have access to.


Germany


https://electrek.co/2016/06/14/all-n...-germany-2030/


California and Colorado will be adopting a zero emissions policy.


https://www.ttnews.com/articles/colo...-vehicle-sales


London is mandating by government edict huge increases in infrastructure. Eventually to outlaw ICE vehicles.


https://www.fleeteurope.com/en/new-e...=London&curl=1
Well, that's why I asked - to learn something I didn't know.

Thanks for the info.

Also, all the people I know who have purchased EVs did so because they wanted to.
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