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The U.S. could easily defeat any air defense, or any defense Iran has. However, Trump's goal is to stabilize and CONTAIN the situation like we did with Gadhafi and Libya before Obama screwed it up. It is NOT to destroy Iran or even enact regime change.
While the US has very good anti-defense systems, none of them are perfect. None. The military, if they're being honest, will even tell you that.
If you believe anything in terms of a conflict situation is easy, you'd be the last person I'd wish to serve with.
While the US has very good anti-defense systems, none of them are perfect. None. The military, if they're being honest, will even tell you that.
Israel, flying US-made F-35 Lightning IIs have routinely flown hundreds of kilometers through Syrian airspace 'protected' by Russian S-300 and their new, highly-touted S-400 air defense systems with impunity.
Ok, if goal #1 was to get of Iraq, why not just do that? You don't need the Iraqis to tell us to leave. No actually, US out of Iraq is a #1 goal for Iran, so I guess they win.
Goal #2, to stop Iran's nuclear program, was already achieved, before Trump pulled us out of the agreement. Now you say the answer is to invade Iran? Is your name Donald Rumsfeld, who said we would waltz into Iraq and be out in 6 weeks?
What is President Trump’s End Game in the Middle East? Is he a genius playing chess or just another politician playing with fire?
President Trump’s ‘Perfect’ hit on Qassim Soleimani, Head of Iran’s International Terror Group (aka Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Quds Force) may actually be a brilliant chess move in the Middle East.
First, the Big Picture:
What is the #1 objective in Iraq? To get the hell out;
What is the #1 objective in Iran? To finally destroy their nuclear capability.
By killing arguably the ‘Most Wanted Terrorist in the World’, in Iraq, it may get Iraq’s Parliament, which has become increasingly influenced by Iran(Iraq's powerful Shiite militias are aligned with Iran against U.S. Forces), to close the United States Embassy and pull ALL US troops out of their country.
Objective #1 in Iraq – ACHIEVED
And killing Iran’s #2 most powerful man lures an outraged Iran to respond militarily, prompting an even larger military response by the US. And this time the US won’t be dropping pallets of cash! It will be another Shock & Awe only with technology and capability unheard of almost twenty years ago. And once the USAF and Navy have established air superiority and neutralized Iran's air defenses, B-52s could then lumber in and drop 20,000 pound MOAB and 30,000 pound MOP bombs to penetrate and destroy Iran's fortified underground nuclear industry.
Objective #1 in Iran – ACHIEVED
Side Benefits:
Removes and/or minimizes US targets for future attacks;
Stimulate rise of anti-Ayatollah protests may finally lead to a leadership change to a more civil political government in Iran;
Iraq will be free to establish whatever government its people wishes;
Minimum casualties: most attacks will be carried out from a stand-off position so there would be no need for boots on the ground;
Iran’s neighboring countries and Israel could breathe easier now that the regional bully has been knocked out;
Sends clear messages to other terrorist factions (and North Korea) that the US is under new management, and there will no longer be tolerance of terrorist blackmail throughout the world. Plus – no more ‘Apology Tours’.
This time our military personnel will not be hand-cuffed with ridiculous rules of engagement that restrain their effectiveness resulting in another quagmire. Plus – Navy ships won’t be seized and detained, and our sailors humiliated.
All terrorists in the entire world can no longer sleep easy while watching the night skies for ‘Death From Above’ fearing being turned into Hellfire Shawarma.
Finally, President Trump is NOT diverting attention away from the Impeachment Proceedings (which are already dead in the water). He is actually trying to finally achieve the best results to decades-long objectives in the Middle East that his predecessors could not or would not attempt. This is NOT Wag the 'Dog’, it’s Wag the Ayatollah!
Good thoughts and appears spot on. Let's get it done and get out
Clearly, the fool doesn't have one. Killing Soliemani was a one off stunt to stir up his followers. tRump doesn't think more than a day or two ahead. His ignorant impulsive behavior is his most salient characteristic. Haven't we seen enough of these big-talking chickenhawks?
Were you as outraged when Osama Bin Laden was killed by Obama’s Order? No? Strange, and disturbing, that you now vilify President Trump!
I bet had your son or daughter been one of the many hundreds of young American servicemen and women who were killed by the actions of this ruthless murderer or one of the many THOUSANDS who lost limbs and other body parts you wouldn’t be so hypocritically contemptuous!
Soleimani, just like Bin Laden, was a murdering terrorist with much American blood on his hands. Taking them both out was the right thing to do!
What Team are you on anyway!? I can’t believe you live in Texas and post this anti-American mierda!
Afganistan and Iraq had no counters to our military yet we are STILL THERE. This idea that you bomb a place and go home without long term effects is stupid. Every country we have engaged with since WW1 still has an American military presence and at this time No one even knows what the mission is or why were are in many of these places.
Do any of us know why we are still in Afganistan or Iraq now? Do any of us know how long we would get stuck in Iran? Middle East countries are still fighting 1000-year-old wars, it is silly to think we can drop a few bombs and that will be the end of it.
Where did all the Libertarians on this forum go?
You wave a flag in their face and drop some ordinance and their meager brains somehow switch into full on right wing authoritarian/imperialist mode. Shocking, it turns out 99% of them are just GOPers.
Were you as outraged when Osama Bin Laden was killed by Obama’s Order? No? Strange, and disturbing, that you now vilify President Trump!
I bet had your son or daughter been one of the many hundreds of young American servicemen and women who were killed by the actions of this ruthless murderer or one of the many THOUSANDS who lost limbs and other body parts you wouldn’t be so hypocritically contemptuous!
Soleimani, just like Bin Laden, was a murdering terrorist with much American blood on his hands. Taking them both out was the right thing to do!
What Team are you on anyway!? I can’t believe you live in Texas and post this anti-American mierda!
Same script from right wing reactionaries, different year. Carbon copy of the lead up to the Iraq invasion. The Iraq debacle is the reason Soleimani had targets in you sons and daughters, if he in fact had anything to do with their deaths, which I'm sure there is mountains of real evidence to support.............
It's the dominant voice in our society and when you get down to it, the only voice that really matters. You have to hand to Trump, he's managed to take all legitimacy and voice from citizens of this country who aren't his base. Trump's base = America and everyone else is human scum.
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The only intelligent point on which we agree !!! but
All because of a different opinion. Interesting, if people don't follow lock step with your opinions and values they are human scum. Chastising an entire group of people because they think differently ....I've heard of this before...
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Trump’s End Game Plan for the Middle East
