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You could also make the argument that the ballistic missiles that Iran launched on US Troops yesterday was paid for with the plane-load of money that the Obama administration secretly arranged a few years back!
Yep, and that also included an insurance policy on this place
There should also be enough room for the Malarkey Bus !
I thought Trumps end game was to get kicked out of Iraq, endanger our soldiers and send the troops to Saudi Arabia, he is a true genius. He is truly amazing.
I thought Trumps end game was to get kicked out of Iraq, endanger our soldiers and send the troops to Saudi Arabia, he is a true genius. He is truly amazing.
So you think Trump is a brilliant chess player too.
I am curious - what is your step-by-step analysis for how this is all going to play out?
What would you do if you were POTUS?
And BTW, our service men and women are always in Harm's Way when it comes to enforcing US's Foreign Policy.
US Centurion C-RAM Brought Down Many of Iran's Fateh 110 Missiles
The United States' Centurion C-RAM close-in weapon air defense system was responsible for taking down at least some of the Fateh 110 Iranian-built SRBMs (short range ballistic missile) that Iran launched against US troops in Iraq.
Centurion C-RAM is the land-based version of the Navy's Phalanx CIWS (pronounced "sea-wiz"), a rapid-fire, computer-controlled radar combined with a 20 mm Gatling gun that automatically acquires, tracks, and destroys enemy air threats.
This really sheds some new light on yesterday's attack - Iran may not have avoided US troop deaths as many are saying. It may just have been the superior US air defense system that avoided casualties.
If it were not for the Centurion C-RAM there may certainly have been US casualties, and President Trump would have unleashed Shock & Awe last night!
So you think Trump is a brilliant chess player too.
I am curious - what is your step-by-step analysis for how this is all going to play out?
What would you do if you were POTUS?
And BTW, our service men and women are always in Harm's Way when it comes to enforcing US's Foreign Policy.
That was sarcasm. Hopefully this ends here but the Iraqis are resentful of our actions and it will be uncomfortable for some time for the remaining soldiers in the field in addition to the embassy.
If I were POTUS I would have attempted to solve this diplomatically but that ship has sailed at this point.
Military force is almost never a good solution, if the intention was to change Iran's behavior it had the opposite effect. Some moderate Iranians wanted to meet with the US a few weeks ago, that would have been the proper path.
Are we better off since Trump pulled out of the JCPOA and the crippling sanctions were re-instituted? Was Iran complying with the agreement? Yes. They were complying with the inspections from the International Atomic Energy Agency, and everything was fine. Iran also agreed and complied with the IAEA safeguards that allowed the inspectors in to any site they deemed suspicious. There was more than just the US in the agreement. It included Russia, France, China, and Germany.
Iran broke the agreement in 2003, but there was no violation since 2009. Our allies did not want the US to leave the agreement. Do you honestly believe the liar and chief or do you believe the IAEA and our allies?
Get the H out of Iraq. We might very well be kicked out allowing Isis to re group. You can't kill an ideology, but you can keep it in check.
Destroy Iran's nuclear capacity? It was already dead with the JCPOA, until Trump pulled out of the deal. They have now abandoned all limits on enriching Uranium. Everything is back to where it was before Trump pulled out and reinstated the lifted sanctions. Is that better?
Iran will have a nuclear weapon just as Trump failed in North Korea. Killing Soleimani may have a feel good moment but it does nothing in the long run. It has united a divided Iran, which is not a good thing. The sanctions left people hungry and dissatisfied with the current regime. Instead of protesting the regime we are now hearing death to America chants.
Was the deal perfect? No, none of them are, but we had none of this chaos until after Trump pulled out of the deal. Where are his negotiating skills he bragged about? There has been zero negotiating with every agreement he's pulled out of. That is not a leader. That is someone blundering and bluffing.
Are we better off since Trump pulled out of the JCPOA and the crippling sanctions were re-instituted? Was Iran complying with the agreement? Yes. They were complying with the inspections from the International Atomic Energy Agency, and everything was fine. Iran also agreed and complied with the IAEA safeguards that allowed the inspectors in to any site they deemed suspicious. There was more than just the US in the agreement. It included Russia, France, China, and Germany.
Iran broke the agreement in 2003, but there was no violation since 2009. Our allies did not want the US to leave the agreement. Do you honestly believe the liar and chief or do you believe the IAEA and our allies?
Get the H out of Iraq. We might very well be kicked out allowing Isis to re group. You can't kill an ideology, but you can keep it in check.
Destroy Iran's nuclear capacity? It was already dead with the JCPOA, until Trump pulled out of the deal. They have now abandoned all limits on enriching Uranium. Everything is back to where it was before Trump pulled out and reinstated the lifted sanctions. Is that better?
Iran will have a nuclear weapon just as Trump failed in North Korea. Killing Soleimani may have a feel good moment but it does nothing in the long run. It has united a divided Iran, which is not a good thing. The sanctions left people hungry and dissatisfied with the current regime. Instead of protesting the regime we are now hearing death to America chants.
Was the deal perfect? No, none of them are, but we had none of this chaos until after Trump pulled out of the deal. Where are his negotiating skills he bragged about? There has been zero negotiating with every agreement he's pulled out of. That is not a leader. That is someone blundering and bluffing.
Care to explain to me why all of a sudden they have 2000 Ballistic missles? you don't use those to spread fertilizer. They have one purpose;deliver warheads,usually nuclear. this was one glaring reason the JCPOA was a sham.
Does this sound like a nation standing down from trying to annex the entire middle east? https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/03/i...-islamic-state
What is President Trump’s End Game in the Middle East? Is he a genius playing chess or just another politician playing with fire?
Neither. The US plan for the Middle East was formulated long before Trump was President. And long before Obama and Bush and Clinton were Presidents.
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President Trump’s ‘Perfect’ hit on Qassim Soleimani, Head of Iran’s International Terror Group (aka Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Quds Force) may actually be a brilliant chess move in the Middle East.
Soleimani is easily replaced.
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First, the Big Picture:
What is the #1 objective in Iraq? To get the hell out;
Nope.
The #1 Objective is to use Iraq as a jumping off point for the attack on Iran, which will eventually happen regardless who is President.
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What is the #1 objective in Iran? To finally destroy their nuclear capability.
Nope. The #1 Objective in Iran is to control Iran so that the US can have air, rail and road access to the 5 Central Asian States.
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Objective #1 in Iraq – ACHIEVED
And killing Iran’s #2 most powerful man lures an outraged Iran to respond militarily, prompting an even larger military response by the US. And this time the US won’t be dropping pallets of cash! It will be another Shock & Awe only with technology and capability unheard of almost twenty years ago. And once the USAF and Navy have established air superiority and neutralized Iran's air defenses, B-52s could then lumber in and drop 20,000 pound MOAB and 30,000 pound MOP bombs to penetrate and destroy Iran's fortified underground nuclear industry.
He was just a general. One of many. He did not work alone. He had a staff who can easily take over.
MOABs won't destroy underground facilities. Unless the MOPs are nuclear, they won't work, either.
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Objective #1 in Iran – ACHIEVED
Side Benefits:
Removes and/or minimizes US targets for future attacks;
Stimulate rise of anti-Ayatollah protests may finally lead to a leadership change to a more civil political government in Iran;
Iraq will be free to establish whatever government its people wishes;
Minimum casualties: most attacks will be carried out from a stand-off position so there would be no need for boots on the ground;
Iran’s neighboring countries and Israel could breathe easier now that the regional bully has been knocked out;
Sends clear messages to other terrorist factions (and North Korea) that the US is under new management, and there will no longer be tolerance of terrorist blackmail throughout the world. Plus – no more ‘Apology Tours’.
This time our military personnel will not be hand-cuffed with ridiculous rules of engagement that restrain their effectiveness resulting in another quagmire. Plus – Navy ships won’t be seized and detained, and our sailors humiliated.
It was not achieved. No targets were "removed" or "minimized." They're all still there.
If another country over-threw your government, then interfered in your elections for 25 years, plus arrested, confined, tortured and murdered any person who spoke out against the government, and then when you finally throw off the yoke, that country tries to get your military to instigate a coup, and then that country interfered with you politically, socially and economically for the next 40 years, you'd be hopping mad.
That's what you did to Iran, and you expect them to lay down?
You could also make the argument that the ballistic missiles that Iran launched on US Troops yesterday was paid for with the plane-load of money that the Obama administration secretly arranged a few years back!
You can make any arguments. However, yours has more holes than a wheel of Emmentaler cheese.
Number one, that money belonged to Iran in the form of frozen assets that were released. That wasn't secret - that was publicly announced. The bulk of that money were in banks and institutions overseas, not the US.
Number two, most of Iran's missile capability is home-grown and developed (which is logical given international sanctions on the country) - so they would be allocating that budget to that area anyway, regardless of what money comes in.
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US Centurion C-RAM Brought Down Many of Iran's Fateh 110 Missiles
