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When people sell their souls to total government dependence and control, I've never heard of any of them coming back. Did the USSR come back? Did Venezuela? Did 1940s Germany? Italy?
No, they had to totally crash and burn, and then kicked out of the government. Sometimes after getting it bloodily beaten out of them.
A rare counterexample is modern China. They made an effort to come back in the last 20 years, and made remarkable progress. But then they reversed course, and are now on the way back to unlimited government control. The Chinese people I've talked to are not happy about it. But the government didn't ask their opinions before deciding.
I'd be pleased if any country came back to sanity on their own. But not optimistic.
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You really don't BELIEVE that, do you? If Sanders is "for workers"-why does he insist on raising our taxes and giving our money to those that DON'T work? Why does he demand that we pay for health care and education for criminal aliens? Why does he insist on attacking the businesses that provide our jobs?
Warren would say the same stupid crap that Bernie does. But she was doing it to advance and enrich herself. What is a little scary about Bernie is that he might actually believe the stupid stuff that comes out of his mouth.
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No, he's not. Sanders is for illegal aliens. He is aggressively clear about that.
There is no single candidate or so-called party platform in favor of average income people legally on US soil.
The only partial exception is Trump by attempting to executive current laws on illegal immigration and achieving border security, in the face of fierce resistance from all sides, and renegotiating trade deals.
But even he does not go far enough.
Only then would we have a rational basis for meaningful health care insurance reform, among other crucial reforms.
Until then, we are bombarded with contradictory propaganda from all sides, Sanders is no exception. He is a charlatan like the rest of them.
If you believe your first paragraph, there is nothing anyone could say to convince you otherwise
Well said! Once you get someone "hooked" and relying on any kind of direct payment on their behalf, the "need" will never go away, and if the government even mentions taking that benefit away....the riots, verbal and sometimes even physical, will quickly ensue.
You'll be called all kinds of nasty names, and told you don't remotely care about people in need.
The lesson I've learned is that it's easy to start a government program, and you have a lot of "friends" when you do....but it's literally impossible to end a government program.
Just like drugs....once the "hooked" constituency is built, and becomes reliant, the "need" will never end.
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Until they run out of Other People's Money, as Obamacare did.
First off, I didn't support the ACA. I wanted at minimum a public option (which we didn't get thanks to the insurance lobby).
And second off, other countries are successfully running single payer healthcare systems, and don't dare try to switch to ours.
I know you reich wingers always like to cite people from Canada or the UK who come here for treatment, but you always fail to mention that those people are RICH. Working Joe's from said countries aren't coming here....
First off, I didn't support the ACA. I wanted at minimum a public option (which we didn't get thanks to the insurance lobby).
And second off, other countries are successfully running single payer healthcare systems, and don't dare try to switch to ours.
I know you reich wingers always like to cite people from Canada or the UK who come here for treatment, but you always fail to mention that those people are RICH. Working Joe's from said countries aren't coming here....
A typical liberal reply. If govt intrusion and control don't work, add MORE govt intrusion and control. And if anybody disagrees, call them names.
So why the hell don't Republicans, including Trump, advocate doing away with government welfare for those who don't work? The age old answer to that? There isn't a dime's worth of difference between the Republican and Democrat parties.
Trump tried to require some people who are on government assistance to have to work, but the Democrats would not go along. It was added to a recent bill, but the Dems removed it before it was passed. It happened in the last month or so. Maybe in the "Farm" bill, which is really the food stamp bill.
Well said! Once you get someone "hooked" and relying on any kind of direct payment on their behalf, the "need" will never go away, and if the government even mentions taking that benefit away....the riots, verbal and sometimes even physical, will quickly ensue.
You'll be called all kinds of nasty names, and told you don't remotely care about people in need.
The lesson I've learned is that it's easy to start a government program, and you have a lot of "friends" when you do....but it's literally impossible to end a government program.
Just like drugs....once the "hooked" constituency is built, and becomes reliant, the "need" will never end.
This is a good article regarding welfare and its recipients. There are many reasons why there is a need for welfare in this country. Laziness isn't at the top. https://www.lexingtonlaw.com/blog/fi...tatistics.html
Sadly, there are many children living in poverty in this country. Sometimes unforeseen circumstances happen that are not in our control. However, I believe people should not have children if they can't afford them.
I don't think the Democrats will ever return to a policy of supporting the working class unless they get wiped out in a couple of election cycles.
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