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It has become pretty obvious this election cycle that the Democratic party has completely abandoned any sense of centrism and any efforts to represent the American working class. They have done nothing but attack working Americans and demand that they pay an ever-higher portion of their earnings to fund government. This above the 40% or more of our earnings that we already pay.
Now, that is of course my opinion-tell me, are the following policies aimed at helping or hurting American workers or taxpayers?
1) Working to "level the playing field" regarding our international trade practices. One where our companies and workers are allowed to compete fairly and have the same access to foreign markets that we allow foreign producers to ours?
2) Tax laws that don't penalize companies that employ workers and produce products built in this country.
3) Reducing business taxes to a level competitive with the rest of the world, rather than one that is punitive and drives businesses to purchase products produced elsewhere.
4) We need federal tax revenue-no question. What is a better approach? Direct taxes on American workers and businesses-taxes that punish Americans and encourage companies to move out of this nation? Or taxes on imported goods? (hint-prior to the 16th amendment (income tax) most revenue was from tariffs).
5) Illegal aliens increase competition for low wage, unskilled jobs. This depresses wages and costs jobs for American citizens. Can someone explain just how this helps American workers? Particularly low-skilled, minority workers? A steady supply of low-wage illegals IS something some businesses want. But NOT something that helps American workers.
6) Both controlling illegal immigration and tax policy that encourages domestic production are NOT things that American corporations support. They would prefer to outsource production to foreign nations with cheap labor and no safety and environmental regulations. They also want their supply of cheap illegal workers. Both of these are things that DEMOCRATS have embraced-and President Trump has opposed. To be fair-both establishment Democrats and Republicans favor cheap imports and illegal workers-and have sold out the American working class.
7) Can someone explain just how raising taxes and forcing American workers to fund illegals...helps American workers? We spend some $140 billion a year-money taken from working Americans in the form of taxes, on illegals every single year. Again-just how does this help the American working class? We sacrifice our educational system-rather than offering things like honors classes and doing a better job of education Americans, we spend a disproportionate amount of our educational dollars paying to support "ESL" programs and catering to illiterate foreigners that can't even make the effort to learn English.
8) Let's talk about guns. Gun owners I am aware of are working class people. Most concealed carriers I know are. Let's face it-the American working class can't pay for the private security that protects billionaires like Mike Bloomberg and don't get government funded security like, say, Nancy Pelosi. We are the ones that are often working in sketchier neighborhoods and deal with crime. Yet we are the ones that Democrats are trying to disarm. The Democratic party, as a whole seems to empathize far more with criminals than law abiding American workers.
9) "Tax the rich". American workers are not stupid, like liberal talking heads seem to think we are. American workers know that, without successful businesses, we won't have jobs, or will have to get out of our comfort zones and create our own businesses, which some simply don't want to, to say nothing of the vast majority that lack the skills and abilities to do so. We know that we need people willing to risk their life's savings, and frankly, to bust their butts, to get a business off the ground to provide us with job opportunities. We do not support idiotic, punitive taxes and regulations that punish those that make the effort, take the risks and succeed. Yet we have the bulk of the Democratic candidates promising to punish success-and reward incompetence and laziness. We also know that "the rich" already pay taxes at a vastly disproportionate rate, and that if we drive them out of our states, let alone our nation, the rest of us will have to pay far more to make up for the taxes they pay.
In short-the policies President Trump has pushed, are aimed at helping the American working class. He actually has sided with American workers, even with policies that big businesses opposed. Even when those policies are opposed by both establishment Democrats and Republicans, who in far too many case are in the pockets of corporations.
The Democratic working person has a tough choice to make this year. They can vote for a screeching, ranting old loon of a socialist. One whose efforts are aimed at destroying businesses, killing jobs, and punishing success. Or they can vote for a senile plutocrat that has spent his career fighting for the credit industry over American workers. While both want to violate their civil rights, make American workers slaves to illegals and weaken this nation.
My questions-just when did the Democratic party abandon the American working class? And is it possible they will ever return to embracing policies that actually support American workers, economic growth and freedom?
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It has become pretty obvious this election cycle that the Democratic party has completely abandoned any sense of centrism and any efforts to represent the American working class. They have done nothing but attack working Americans and demand that they pay an ever-higher portion of their earnings to fund government. This above the 40% or more of our earnings that we already pay.
Now, that is of course my opinion-tell me, are the following policies aimed at helping or hurting American workers or taxpayers?
1) Working to "level the playing field" regarding our international trade practices. One where our companies and workers are allowed to compete fairly and have the same access to foreign markets that we allow foreign producers to ours?
2) Tax laws that don't penalize companies that employ workers and produce products built in this country.
3) Reducing business taxes to a level competitive with the rest of the world, rather than one that is punitive and drives businesses to purchase products produced elsewhere.
4) We need federal tax revenue-no question. What is a better approach? Direct taxes on American workers and businesses-taxes that punish Americans and encourage companies to move out of this nation? Or taxes on imported goods? (hint-prior to the 16th amendment (income tax) most revenue was from tariffs).
5) Illegal aliens increase competition for low wage, unskilled jobs. This depresses wages and costs jobs for American citizens. Can someone explain just how this helps American workers? Particularly low-skilled, minority workers? A steady supply of low-wage illegals IS something some businesses want. But NOT something that helps American workers.
7) Both controlling illegal immigration and tax policy that encourages domestic production are NOT things that American corporations support. They would prefer to outsource production to foreign nations with cheap labor and no safety and environmental regulations. They also want their supply of cheap illegal workers. Both of these are things that DEMOCRATS have embraced-and President Trump has opposed. To be fair-both establishment Democrats and Republicans favor cheap imports and illegal workers-and have sold out the American working class.
8) Can someone explain just how raising taxes and forcing American workers to fund illegals...helps American workers? We spend some $140 billion a year-money taken from working Americans in the form of taxes, on illegals every single year. Again-just how does this help the American working class? We sacrifice our educational system-rather than offering things like honors classes and doing a better job of education Americans, we spend a disproportionate amount of our educational dollars paying to support "ESL" programs and catering to illiterate foreigners that can't even make the effort to learn English.
9) Let's talk about guns. Gun owners I am aware of are working class people. Most concealed carriers I know are. Let's face it-the American working class can't pay for the private security that protects billionaires like Mike Bloomberg and don't get government funded security like, say, Nancy Pelosi. We are the ones that are often working in sketchier neighborhoods and deal with crime. Yet we are the ones that Democrats are trying to disarm. The Democratic party, as a whole seems to empathize far more with criminals than law abiding American workers.
10) "Tax the rich". American workers are not stupid, like liberal talking heads seem to think we are. American workers know that, without successful businesses, we won't have jobs, or will have to get out of our comfort zones and create our own businesses, which some simply don't want to, to say nothing of the vast majority that lack the skills and abilities to do so. We know that we need people willing to risk their life's savings, and frankly, to bust their butts, to get a business off the ground to provide us with job opportunities. We do not support idiotic, punitive taxes and regulations that punish those that make the effort, take the risks and succeed. Yet we have the bulk of the Democratic candidates promising to punish success-and reward incompetence and laziness. We also know that "the rich" already pay taxes at a vastly disproportionate rate, and that if we drive them out of our states, let alone our nation, the rest of us will have to pay far more to make up for the taxes they pay.
In short-the policies President Trump has pushed, are aimed at helping the American working class. He actually has sided with American workers, even with policies that big businesses opposed. Even when those policies are opposed by both establishment Democrats and Republicans, who in far too many case are in the pockets of corporations.
The Democratic working person has a tough choice to make this year. They can vote for a screeching, ranting old loon of a socialist. One whose efforts are aimed at destroying businesses, killing jobs, and punishing success. Or they can vote for a senile plutocrat that has spent his career fighting for the credit industry over American workers. While both want to violate their civil rights, make American workers slaves to illegals and weaken this nation.
My questions-just when did the Democratic party abandon the American working class? And is it possible they will ever return to embracing policies that actually support American workers, economic growth and freedom?
6)
Wow, that is obviously slanted with a right wing bias. Sanders IS for the American worker.
Biden isn't. tRump isn't either
It has become pretty obvious this election cycle that the Democratic party has completely abandoned any sense of centrism and any efforts to represent the American working class. They have done nothing but attack working Americans and demand that they pay an ever-higher portion of their earnings to fund government. This above the 40% or more of our earnings that we already pay.
Now, that is of course my opinion-tell me, are the following policies aimed at helping or hurting American workers or taxpayers?
1) Working to "level the playing field" regarding our international trade practices. One where our companies and workers are allowed to compete fairly and have the same access to foreign markets that we allow foreign producers to ours?
2) Tax laws that don't penalize companies that employ workers and produce products built in this country.
3) Reducing business taxes to a level competitive with the rest of the world, rather than one that is punitive and drives businesses to purchase products produced elsewhere.
4) We need federal tax revenue-no question. What is a better approach? Direct taxes on American workers and businesses-taxes that punish Americans and encourage companies to move out of this nation? Or taxes on imported goods? (hint-prior to the 16th amendment (income tax) most revenue was from tariffs).
5) Illegal aliens increase competition for low wage, unskilled jobs. This depresses wages and costs jobs for American citizens. Can someone explain just how this helps American workers? Particularly low-skilled, minority workers? A steady supply of low-wage illegals IS something some businesses want. But NOT something that helps American workers.
7) Both controlling illegal immigration and tax policy that encourages domestic production are NOT things that American corporations support. They would prefer to outsource production to foreign nations with cheap labor and no safety and environmental regulations. They also want their supply of cheap illegal workers. Both of these are things that DEMOCRATS have embraced-and President Trump has opposed. To be fair-both establishment Democrats and Republicans favor cheap imports and illegal workers-and have sold out the American working class.
8) Can someone explain just how raising taxes and forcing American workers to fund illegals...helps American workers? We spend some $140 billion a year-money taken from working Americans in the form of taxes, on illegals every single year. Again-just how does this help the American working class? We sacrifice our educational system-rather than offering things like honors classes and doing a better job of education Americans, we spend a disproportionate amount of our educational dollars paying to support "ESL" programs and catering to illiterate foreigners that can't even make the effort to learn English.
9) Let's talk about guns. Gun owners I am aware of are working class people. Most concealed carriers I know are. Let's face it-the American working class can't pay for the private security that protects billionaires like Mike Bloomberg and don't get government funded security like, say, Nancy Pelosi. We are the ones that are often working in sketchier neighborhoods and deal with crime. Yet we are the ones that Democrats are trying to disarm. The Democratic party, as a whole seems to empathize far more with criminals than law abiding American workers.
10) "Tax the rich". American workers are not stupid, like liberal talking heads seem to think we are. American workers know that, without successful businesses, we won't have jobs, or will have to get out of our comfort zones and create our own businesses, which some simply don't want to, to say nothing of the vast majority that lack the skills and abilities to do so. We know that we need people willing to risk their life's savings, and frankly, to bust their butts, to get a business off the ground to provide us with job opportunities. We do not support idiotic, punitive taxes and regulations that punish those that make the effort, take the risks and succeed. Yet we have the bulk of the Democratic candidates promising to punish success-and reward incompetence and laziness. We also know that "the rich" already pay taxes at a vastly disproportionate rate, and that if we drive them out of our states, let alone our nation, the rest of us will have to pay far more to make up for the taxes they pay.
In short-the policies President Trump has pushed, are aimed at helping the American working class. He actually has sided with American workers, even with policies that big businesses opposed. Even when those policies are opposed by both establishment Democrats and Republicans, who in far too many case are in the pockets of corporations.
The Democratic working person has a tough choice to make this year. They can vote for a screeching, ranting old loon of a socialist. One whose efforts are aimed at destroying businesses, killing jobs, and punishing success. Or they can vote for a senile plutocrat that has spent his career fighting for the credit industry over American workers. While both want to violate their civil rights, make American workers slaves to illegals and weaken this nation.
My questions-just when did the Democratic party abandon the American working class? And is it possible they will ever return to embracing policies that actually support American workers, economic growth and freedom?
6)
It has been going on since the late 1960s early 1970s.
Only, it wasnt common with working class until colleges-with their liberal arts programs- started expanding. Slowly they expanded fascist and socialist course requirements and then electives.
Add to this the brainwashing of younger children with political views now allowed to be presented to students in grammar school and highschool and you have the results of todays political machine.
Wow, that is obviously slanted with a right wing bias. Sanders IS for the American worker.
Biden isn't. tRump isn't either
You really don't BELIEVE that, do you? If Sanders is "for workers"-why does he insist on raising our taxes and giving our money to those that DON'T work? Why does he demand that we pay for health care and education for criminal aliens? Why does he insist on attacking the businesses that provide our jobs?
Warren would say the same stupid crap that Bernie does. But she was doing it to advance and enrich herself. What is a little scary about Bernie is that he might actually believe the stupid stuff that comes out of his mouth.
Wow, that is obviously slanted with a right wing bias. Sanders IS for the American worker.
Biden isn't. tRump isn't either
How is Sanders for the American worker? He is going to cripple them with suffocating taxes to pay for all the free stuff, and he is going to reward illegal immigration to compete with low-wage earners.
My FIL has since passed a few years ago. He was a 50 yr union electrician. He was a dyed in the wool toe tag Democrat. He's rolling in his grave right now at what the dem party has turned into. His family was from Mexico and came here legally. He and his spouse both were of Mexican decent and they themselves were much harder on illegals than a lot of people I know. He understood the impact of what cheap labor does to the market and how it affects the poor people here.
Watching the first few debates and seeing the blatant pandering to illegals made me sick. Dumbass Beto speaking Spanish was the topper, lol,I mean who is that for exactly, I mean what the hell? Decriminalization of illegal border crossing, giving illegals health and other benefits? These azzhat politicians attempt to buy votes and shift the dem voter base and we the tax payers get the privilege of paying for it??
I'll never vote dem again until they stop that kind of nonsense. I personally can't stand Trump but I'll vote for him, I'll vote for him like a big dawg.
My FIL has since passed a few years ago. He was a 50 yr union electrician. He was a dyed in the wool toe tag Democrat. He's rolling in his grave right now at what the dem party has turned into. His family was from Mexico and came here legally. He and his spouse both were of Mexican decent and they themselves were much harder on illegals than a lot of people I know. He understood the impact of what cheap labor does to the market and how it affects the poor people here.
Watching the first few debates and seeing the blatant pandering to illegals made me sick. Dumbass Beto speaking Spanish was the topper, lol,I mean who is that for exactly, I mean what the hell? Decriminalization of illegal border crossing, giving illegals health and other benefits? These azzhat politicians attempt to buy votes and shift the dem voter base and we the tax payers get the privilege of paying for it??
I'll never vote dem again until they stop that kind of nonsense. I personally can't stand Trump but I'll vote for him, I'll vote for him like a big dawg.
It was pretty bad in previous years, too. I remember at one Democratic town hall, someone stood up and asked her question in Spanish (thereby excluding the 80% of voters who speak English from understanding her question), and the candidate answered in Spanish. What I would have preferred would have been for the candidate to grow a pair and say, "excuse me, miss.....but would you please ask your question in English so it doesn't appear that you want only Spanish-speakers in on your question?" And if she refused, move on to the next question.
No, he's not. Sanders is for illegal aliens. He is aggressively clear about that.
There is no single candidate or so-called party platform in favor of average income people legally on US soil.
The only partial exception is Trump by attempting to executive current laws on illegal immigration and achieving border security, in the face of fierce resistance from all sides, and renegotiating trade deals.
But even he does not go far enough.
Only then would we have a rational basis for meaningful health care insurance reform, among other crucial reforms.
Until then, we are bombarded with contradictory propaganda from all sides, Sanders is no exception. He is a charlatan like the rest of them.
Democrats are in really bad shape.
They’re all in on either a limousine socialist millionaire who’s never held a real job, or a failed VP who isn’t even endorsed by the POTUS he served, & who can’t escape his corrupt family.
You really don't BELIEVE that, do you? If Sanders is "for workers"-why does he insist on raising our taxes and giving our money to those that DON'T work? Why does he demand that we pay for health care and education for criminal aliens? Why does he insist on attacking the businesses that provide our jobs?
Warren would say the same stupid crap that Bernie does. But she was doing it to advance and enrich herself. What is a little scary about Bernie is that he might actually believe the stupid stuff that comes out of his mouth.
So why the hell don't Republicans, including Trump, advocate doing away with government welfare for those who don't work? The age old answer to that? There isn't a dime's worth of difference between the Republican and Democrat parties.
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