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If you support only statues of perfect people you should tear down every statue.
Your heroes were no more perfect than Robert E Lee.
FDR put thousands of innocent American citizens in prisons just because of their last name.
JFC cheated on his wife over and over again.
Obama was a compulsive liar.
Lincoln killed 700,000 Americans
Etc.
Robert E Lee was a hero and patriot of the highest order.
Wait, what??? Lincoln killed 700,000 Americans? It was the South who seceded from the Union, and it was also the South who began the shooting war when they attacked Fort Sumter in SC.
Now I still wouldn't say that Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee killed 700,000 Americans - it's too much to put on them, but if you want to be ranting like that about Lincoln, you may want to explain why they and the South should get a pass for secession and starting the war?
This is why I consider myself a moderate liberal. Robert E Lee and the Confederacy is part of our history. To take down symbols of our history is wrong. If we are going to be critical of those who owned slaves are we to do away with the dollar bill because George Washington was a slave owner, as was basically every white man of means at that time?
George Washington didn't fight specifically for the right to own slaves. Slavery was legal then. It was no longer legal after the Emancipation Proclamation.
Further proof that what is legal is not necessarily moral, ethical, or honorable.
Hmmmm……monuments to white supremacy seem to be losing their charm.
wrong, it is not about "white supremacy" nor was honoring Lee about the white supremacy or slavery
these statues represent history, and where a person may have came from, was important in a battle that actually happened there, died there, etc
Robert E Lee for example was a the son of Revolutionary War officer Henry "Light Horse Harry" Lee III...
* Lee was a top graduate of the United States Military Academy(West Point).....
* An exceptional officer and military engineer in the United States Army for 32 years....
* He distinguished himself during the Mexican–American War....
* Served as Superintendent of the United States Military Academy.
Ft. Totten, in queens NY ( a active duty/reserve fort form 1857 to 1991, now only a reserve station) was designed by engineer Robert e lee , and the Officers Club on FT. Totten in Queens ,NY was designed by Robert E. Lee
When Virginia declared its secession from the Union in April 1861, Lee chose to follow his home state, despite his personal desire for the country to remain intact and an offer of a senior Union command
Lee had a great career and contributed to the USA, but people only remember him as a confederate general
and the civil war was not about slavery...but about taxes
Abraham Lincoln repeatedly stated his war was caused by taxes only, and not by slavery,.."My policy sought only to collect the Revenue (a 40*percent federal sales tax on imports to Southern States under the Morrill Tariff Act of 1861)." reads paragraph 5 of*Lincoln's First Message to the U.S. Congress, penned July 4, 1861.
Abraham Lincoln issued the preliminary Emancipation Proclamation on September 22nd, 1862. It stipulated that if the Southern states did not cease their rebellion and start paying their taxes by January 1st, 1863, then Proclamation would go into effect. When the Confederacy did not yield, Lincoln issued the final Emancipation Proclamation on January 1st, 1863.
The Emancipation Proclamation only applied to the states in rebellion,...it only freed 31. million of the over 4 million slaves.....
Lincoln did not claim slavery was a reason even in his Emancipation Proclamations on Sept. 22, 1862, and Jan. 1, 1863.* Moreover, Lincoln's proclamations*exempted a million slaves under his control from being freed (including General U.S. Grant's four slaves) and offered the South three months to return to the Union (pay 40*percent*sales tax) and keep their slaves.* None did.* Lincoln affirmed his only reason for issuing was:* "as a fit and necessary war measure for suppressing said (tax) rebellion."
in his first inaugural address, Lincoln declared that he had “no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with slavery in the States where it exists.”
Lincoln declared war to collect taxes in his two presidential war proclamations against the Confederate States, on April 15 and 19th, 1861: "Whereas an insurrection against the Government of the United States has broken out and the laws of the United States for the collection of the revenue cannot be effectually executed therein."
On Dec. 25, 1860, South Carolina declared unfair taxes to be a cause of secession: "The people of the Southern States are not only taxed for the benefit of the Northern States, but after the taxes are collected, three-fourths (75%) of them are expended at the North (to subsidize Wall Street industries that elected Lincoln)."
even into the reconstruction era, which Johnson failed at miserably , the issue was taxes....all the land procured after the war, (to be given to the blacks)(which Johnson gave back to the plantation owners) would not have been able to collect taxes on for years......
the ""northern""" state of Maryland didn't abolish slavery until 1864......hmmm imagine that
It's a happy day for me. He fought for the Confederacy. Anyone who fought for the Confederacy, in my book, is a public enemy. The Confederate cause was about keeping slavery. It's in the Confederate Constitution, the Articles of Secession, and the Cornerstone Speech. The South wanted to keep slavery so badly that it was willing to secede and fight a war for it. Robert E. Lee chose the Confederacy. I'm glad his likeness is being torn down, and I have no reason to think otherwise.
Yes, and these materials are available to anyone these days with just a few mouse clicks, and yet still there are the denials of the causes for secession, and ironically, the very people who flatly deny what all these public documents show, accuse others of "revisionist history"!
Removing a public monument does not "erase history."
Glorifying traitors by erecting a public statue 90 years after the fact is what distorts it.
THANK. YOU.
The Confederate cause was about keeping slavery. Southerners who had a stake in keeping slavery feared its demise. The saw that the territories where new states were being formed would not be suitable for crops that utilized slavery (cotton, sugar, rice,etc). Kansas is known for hot summers and very cold winters. It's relatively dry climate isn't suited for cotton or rice. It's cold winters mean no sugar cane. Then came Popular Sovereignty. Because of this, pro-slavery people and abolitionists were flocking to Kansas to sway the state their way. And this led to Bleeding Kansas. Kansas would eventually come into the Union as a free state. This scared southern slaveholders because they feared an abolitionist President coming into office. The southern states wanted secession because they feared the end of slavery.
The Confederate cause was a cause rooted in keeping slavery. By putting up statues honoring those who fought for the Confederate, it says "those who fought for the slave owner's cause deserve to be honored". It does more than distort history. It pays tribute to those who attempted to tear the country apart.
If you support only statues of perfect people you should tear down every statue.
Your heroes were no more perfect than Robert E Lee.
FDR put thousands of innocent American citizens in prisons just because of their last name.
JFC cheated on his wife over and over again. (So did JFK).
Obama was a compulsive liar.
Lincoln killed 700,000 Americans
Etc.
Robert E Lee was a hero and patriot of the highest order.
Let He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone.
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And yet you worship traitors who in the 1770s rebelled against the crown.
When are you going to tear down the statues of Washington and his rebels?
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Robert E Lee was a beloved General among both the Confederate and Union Armies. He was saluted by all soldiers. This is a sad damn day in America.
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Originally Posted by DaveinMtAiry
This is why I consider myself a moderate liberal. Robert E Lee and the Confederacy is part of our history. To take down symbols of our history is wrong. If we are going to be critical of those who owned slaves are we to do away with the dollar bill because George Washington was a slave owner, as was basically every white man of means at that time?
Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Hussain, and ISIS would be so proud of those who destroy American history.
This is why I consider myself a moderate liberal. Robert E Lee and the Confederacy is part of our history. To take down symbols of our history is wrong. If we are going to be critical of those who owned slaves are we to do away with the dollar bill because George Washington was a slave owner, as was basically every white man of means at that time?
George Washington was a president. He is important to our history. Lee is a traitor. He is not important.
signed your friendly black CD woman poster
I never understood the need for monuments of Traitors.
Many times these statues are placed next to American flags. I best those Traitors are turning in their graves seeing the American flag fly above them. They worked hard to burn that flag and what it represents to the ground.
Because they are Traitors, in case you missed that part.
go read a history book, Robert E Lee was against succession before it happened, and accepted defeat.
he would have no problem with the American flag being flown near him.
I have no problem if they remove the statue because they believe that all traitors to the USA should not have a statute, but rewriting history is dangerous. Your moral views our one thing but rewriting the facts to suit your moral views means your moral views are corrupt and that has deadly consequences in other areas.
It reminds when in NYC they removed dr Marion Sims from central park because he operated on slaves without anesthesia, which the uninformed person would think was horrendous, doing a painful operation without consent is one thing, but the anesthesia thing is historical revisionism based on modern medical practice (anesthesia practices of the time was much different then now).
What exactly did these folks do that was worthy of a statue?
Respected State's Rights, Honor, Liberty and Freedom. They were Americans and American soldiers. To remove all evidence of them is a true disgrace. This governor is just another Communist America eradicator. You should be ashamed. Pathetic.
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