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Originally Posted by Pilot1
Respected State's Rights, Honor, Liberty and Freedom. They were Americans and American soldiers. To remove all evidence of them is a true disgrace. This governor is just another Communist America eradicator. You should be ashamed. Pathetic.
They cast their lot with the other team, they lost and don't get to write the history and create the memorials. History will continue, their evidence will remain in the thousands of cemetery markers where they and those they fought are laid to rest. Take your stupid communist rhetoric and keep it because your name calling contributes nothing but show how narrow mined you are like some other currently in office.
Lee is usually cited not for his allegiance or political views, but for his personal conduct, as a moral man caught in the most amoral (rather than immoral) forms of human conflict.
This is how the story of the surrender at Appomattox was presented to us, as junor high school students (few Afros, but plenty of assimilating white ethnics) in a Northern industrial community of 25,000, in the divisive 1960's.
But another source paints a not-so-enlightened picture pf Lee:
UGH I thought we were done with white washing history or should I say washing it down for the PC crowd.
I envision a black man sitting beneath that Robert E Lee statue with his kids and telling them that the man on that horse fought to keep our people as slaves, he was defeated by good people that freed us and now the only thing that will hold you back is your brain.
I can be an optimist sometimes.
And do you hope one day a jewish dad can sit with his kids at the base of a hitler statue telling them the same thing?
Good. Every Confederate monument needs to be taken down. Monuments that pay public accolades to Confederates should come down.
I DISAGREE
CONFEDERATE BATTLE FLAG and other
CONFEDERATE MEMORIALS
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Anyone who is offended by history wants to hide the truth from being remembered.
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Honoring one's defeated enemies and especially their dead is a long standing practice. We see examples of this in Roman history, where fallen enemies are not reviled nor their cause ridiculed, nor their memories tarnished. Perhaps this is to appease the spirits or to not agitate the descendants into seeking revenge.
Whatever the reason, it is an accepted practice.
To attack them and their memory is considered uncivilized, uncultured, contemptible and / or ignoble.
MAGNANIMITY IN VICTORY MARKED THE CIVIL WAR’S END
Upon news of General Lee’s surrender, General Grant admonished Union soldiers who were firing salutes to mark their victory. “Stop that firing,” he said sternly, “The Rebels are our countrymen again.”
Lincoln and Grant knew the Confederates were once more part of the union. To be harsh or spiteful, or punish them, or throw the Union's win in their face, was not going to do anybody any good. To disfigure, remove and eradicate memorials of the Confederacy is an insult to their memories as well as the magnanimity and generosity of the victors. It is a shame if we allow history to fall out of the minds of our people because of an ignorant, vindictive, and spiteful attitude of a few.
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UGH I thought we were done with white washing history or should I say washing it down for the PC crowd.
You know bad things happened in the past and so did amazing things as well. Name a country in the world that has as much opportunity for all as America. People have lived and died for their beliefs to make this country better than it was yesterday and some people are forgetting this sacrifice.
I don't understand why those Confederate statues are seen as symbols of oppression when they should serve as reminders to us all and especially black people of how far as a society and equality for all we have come since then.
I envision a black man sitting beneath that Robert E Lee statue with his kids and telling them that the man on that horse fought to keep our people as slaves, he was defeated by good people that freed us and now the only thing that will hold you back is your brain.
I think Robert E. Lee is unfairly maligned lately, but that's kind of a over-reaction to the fact he was given more accolades than he was due for so many years. He wasn't that great of a general and arguably helped the Confederacy lose faster.
Lee never liked being a symbol of the confederacy. Other people made him into that. He didn't want any confederate flags at his funeral and there were none. Lee himself would probably be embarrassed that statues of him celebrated white supremacy & confederate lost cause ideology. .
and there were many of the Christian right who supported it.
from an he evangelical Christian group in NY https://www.google.com/books/edition...=1591312350278
"shall women be permitted to vote at local options elections"
I would like to point out that there are no public statues honoring Generals or war heroes from WWII in either of the two main Axis countries:
Germany has no public statues for any German General or war hero who served in WWII. Even Field Marshal Erwin Rommel, a highly respected General by The Allies and involved in the plot to over throw Hitler (for which he was forced to commit suicide) does not have one. Germany does have The Holocaust Memorial in its capital city, Berlin, and has also has built holocaust education into its school curriculum.
Likewise, Japan does not have any public statues of Japanese war heroes. Instead it does have many public peace memorials, most famously The Peace Memorial Park in Hiroshima. There is the Yasukuni Shrine, a Shinto shrine founded in 1869 to commemorate Japan's war dead for the Boshin War of 1868–1869, but which has expanded to include memorials for many other wars since, including WWII making it somewhat controversial.
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