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Old 06-05-2020, 12:05 PM
 
Location: NY>FL>VA>NC>IN
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Doesn't necessarily have to be licensed social workers. Could be officers with slightly more medical training, or training on how to deal with ODs, etc.
This makes good sense.

Thinking about how this would work though...the actual logistics of it...I guess the dispatcher would have to be trained in which faction to send to a particular call...but actual crimes would still bring out the "traditional" cops, I guess? I wonder what the one councilwoman's statement about "calling to complain about garage break ins" meant? I inferred that she meant we are not to call about such things? Huh?

The thing is confusing to me.
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Old 06-05-2020, 12:09 PM
 
Location: London
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Maybe all those “peaceful” protesters shouldn’t violently antagonize police? How about actually being peaceful? It might work to make people agree with the cause.
If a protester is violently antagonizing the police, then they're not peaceful, are they?
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Old 06-05-2020, 12:16 PM
 
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My brother's a social worker. He burned out years ago and has since moved into the fundraising arm. Not unusual, especially at his salary.

Even if the city turns these positions into high paying government jobs, and they surely will, the average social worker with the desire to counsel ex/would-be felons will need to grow a pair.

To take on the risks they'll be exposed to, they'll have to have training and protection similar to police officers, then your right back to where you started.

I suggest they hire only black social workers, they can't then pin it on whites when the experiment undoubtedly fails. It's all about race to these socialists anyway.
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Old 06-05-2020, 12:30 PM
 
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This makes good sense.

Thinking about how this would work though...the actual logistics of it...I guess the dispatcher would have to be trained in which faction to send to a particular call...but actual crimes would still bring out the "traditional" cops, I guess? I wonder what the one councilwoman's statement about "calling to complain about garage break ins" meant? I inferred that she meant we are not to call about such things? Huh?

The thing is confusing to me.
And all that will take more money to train officers for specific duties. You will need more officers/social workers, which takes more money.
The thing with so many routine calls is you never know what is going to happen a simple shoplifting, domestic disturbance or welfare check can quickly go sideways and sorry but I dont think some social worker is going to have super powers to always deescalate/diffuse or prevent the violence and danger officers sometimes find themselves facing on these calls.

I still think the answer is in policy, training, oversite and leadership.
It wouldn't hurt if citizens stopped being arseholes either. Cursing, arguing, resisting and punching cops isnt the thing to do.
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Old 06-05-2020, 12:32 PM
 
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The city will soon resemble the worst part of Mexico with crime running rampant and good citizens moving out in droves. Or, a better example, it will soon resemble Detroit, a run down slum filled with abandoned houses and business. The population of Detroit has fallen from a high of 1,850,000 in 1950 to 680,000 in 2015, that is the future of Minneapolis. How do such ignorant fools get elected into office? Vote democrat and vote for the end of America.
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Old 06-05-2020, 12:34 PM
 
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It wouldn't hurt if citizens stopped being arseholes either. Cursing, arguing, resisting and punching cops isnt the thing to do.
Well yeah, there's that.

Criminals who behave poorly/violently when caught and now the coming trend is so anti-cop, so cops will have even less ability to subdue the ones who fight/resist/run away...ugh I just don't see an answer like at all. It all just sucks.
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Old 06-05-2020, 12:36 PM
 
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You realize rehab works great too? and mandatory drug/alcohol counseling.
People still rape, murder, steal, beat each other, kidnap, etc. should we just stop arresting them too?

So how is someone working at the CDC going to make a difference. At least if drug dealers are in jail there will be less product, fewer drugs being sold to children, less abuse and child neglect, less associated crime.

I all for drug rehab programs but they are about as well run and helpful as any other government run department. Instead of defunding one program and funding another the powers that be need to get their chit together and run their departments in an efficient, decent, honest and logical manner, truly helping its citizens. As far as I'm concerned they are all one big clusterduck with little to no integrity, honesty, or logic.
We disagree on this then!


After I did some reading on the history of drug laws and the Constitutional aspect, I stopped calling police for drug activity at our stores and instructed the employees to do the same, being a gas station/convenience store, we see alot of 'transactions' in our parking lot, the dealer and buyer will meet here and then leave. I will say, after many years of this going on here, we have NEVER seen any violence or related problems.


The way I look at it, calling police for this sort of thing is similar to people in the past, calling police when a black person was sitting in a white section of a restaurant, or drinking from the wrong water fountain....I do not want to be 'that' kind of person.
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Old 06-05-2020, 12:43 PM
 
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We disagree on this then!


After I did some reading on the history of drug laws and the Constitutional aspect, I stopped calling police for drug activity at our stores and instructed the employees to do the same, being a gas station/convenience store, we see alot of 'transactions' in our parking lot, the dealer and buyer will meet here and then leave. I will say, after many years of this going on here, we have NEVER seen any violence or related problems.


The way I look at it, calling police for this sort of thing is similar to people in the past, calling police when a black person was sitting in a white section of a restaurant, or drinking from the wrong water fountain....I do not want to be 'that' kind of person.
Hold the phone. You see a similarity between reporting an actual crime, lowlife drug dealers, to Jim Crow laws that oppressed ordinary upstanding citizens?? I do not follow that line of logic.

If I were Queen I'd legalize all drugs, personally, and heavily tax them, though. Keeping them illegal has never made sense to me, much like prostitution being illegal. Just makes no sense. They're so popular, the taxes from the sales would be huge and could go to schools and child protective service type things.

I still think drug pushers are kinda lowlifes, but it's such easy money I can kinda see why they do it.
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Old 06-05-2020, 12:44 PM
 
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Well yeah, there's that.

Criminals who behave poorly/violently when caught and now the coming trend is so anti-cop, so cops will have even less ability to subdue the ones who fight/resist/run away...ugh I just don't see an answer like at all. It all just sucks.
I actually wouldn't mind seeing all cops across the country boycott. Just stay home for a week, a week without a cop, like a day without an immigrant.

But I agree, I dont know what the answer is. When I plug into to the media it would seem the world, as mom use to say, is going to heck in a hand basket.
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Old 06-05-2020, 12:46 PM
 
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They are not advocating replacing all police officers with social workers.

They are wanting to spend money on programs to try and remove the problems that end up in needing more policemen

It's not a bad idea and will require a nuanced approach to balancing immediate needs for law enforcement and not continually solving community problems with the band aid of more law enforcement.
This is what it's about. Get a bunch of money that will no doubt be handled like every other corrupt Democrat city program.

Ex. Rahm Emanual's CPS CEO Barbara Byrd Bennett. Gave a $20m no bid 'consulting' contract to her former company and got a $2m kickback.

Wake the fuC$ up, people.
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