Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
YES But if you choose to ignore the residents who may not have legal status are you getting an accurate picture.
Counting illegal residents does nothing to change policies, etc.
It doesn't change districts for elections, it doesn't figure into anything.
But if you don't count you can make up numbers, ideas, stories and who is to know what is right or wrong.
First, do you think there is an accurate picture to begin with. Most people fill out their census on line or via mail. Many people do not respond. People lie and illegal aliens are not going to fill out a census giving all the real names of persons living in the house.
The population dictates the number of representatives. Are you saying a states congressional representation does not matter? or the number of electoral votes does not matter?
And lastly, how does one (and who does it) make up numbers, ideas and stories where the census is concerned.
First, do you think there is an accurate picture to begin with. Most people fill out their census on line or via mail. Many people do not respond. People lie and illegal aliens are not going to fill out a census giving all the real names of persons living in the house.
The population dictates the number of representatives. Are you saying a states congressional representation does not matter? or the number of electoral votes does not matter?
And lastly, how does one (and who does it) make up numbers, ideas and stories where the census is concerned.
How does the census know exactly how many undocumented people live in a district?
An estimate can be made higher or lower, if your goal is to manipulate the census figures to impact the number of representatives or the number of electoral votes. And currently there is plenty of political motivation for that.
"the census is to count people." What is wrong with you? It's not that hard to understand if you know what is done because of the counts. THEN to gov't appropriates based on THAT COUNT.
And WE are called the Un-educated.
More and more, based on what is said on here and what see on the new, I think we should tests on the Constitution, laws and what fed agencies were established to do, BEFORE you are allowed to vote!
It’s ironic that someone with your remarkably absent understanding of the US Constitution would seek to disenfranchise...yourself.
Please pick up a free copy of the Constitution and educate yourself on the Apportionment Clause. Over a century’s worth of Court precedents have been clear that the word “persons” in the 14th Amendment is not defined or limited by immigration status. The executive has no authority to inject new qualifications or meaning into the US Constitution.
The data in the census is used for government programs, funding, policies, and all manner of decision-making. Their numbers shouldn't be used for any of those purposes.
Stop comparing illegal immigrants to slaves! Illegal immigrants are victims of nothing!
They are human with human rights; calling them illegal, does not negate the fact --- one human is equal to another. Someone said that once, who was it and why did they say it?
From the 14th amendment: “Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State...”
The whole number of persons, not the number of voters, not the number of voting men, not the number of adults with graduate-level education, not the number of non-felons, or whatever modifier to whole persons any Stephen Miller wing nut wants to dream up. Trump has already lost the citizenship question in Court because he is entirely incapable of understanding the US Constitution, and it is no surprise that he is at this again. But is no one in his administration educated enough to provide him with good counsel?
Is basic civic knowledge so lacking today?
" We the people of the United States. "people of the United States" are CITIZENS. An illegal is NOT "OF" the United States. The are still citizens of the country they cam from.
By your definition anybody here as a visitor, on a student visa, all other Visaa, green card holder should be counted so we can create district within the numbers established.
They aren't "undocumented" as in the topic title either. They are illegal aliens and you are correct in everything you stated. My question is how does the census determine who is here illegally and who is not?
Jan 15, 2019 - The Trump administration cannot ask citizenship status in the 2020 census. ... and his own stated decisional criteria; and failed to justify significant ... the Census Bureau to reinstate the citizenship question on the 2020 census"
" We the people of the United States. "people of the United States" are CITIZENS. An illegal is NOT "OF" the United States. The are still citizens of the country they cam from.
By your definition anybody here as a visitor, on a student visa, all other Visaa, green card holder should be counted so we can create district within the numbers established.
Please educate yourself on over a century’s worth of SCOTUS precedents on the word “persons” as it appears in and applies to the 14th Amendment. Your opinion on this matter does not negate the reality of the US Constitution as written.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
