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How does the census know exactly how many undocumented people live in a district?
An estimate can be made higher or lower, if your goal is to manipulate the census figures to impact the number of representatives or the number of electoral votes. And currently there is plenty of political motivation for that.
They dont of course. It is illegal to inquire legal status so there is no way to get anything near an accurate estimate of those here illegally.
There is really no motivation for people to complete the census form accurately. There has been like 2 people ever charged for lying on a census form.
Exactly, ALL of the people in the country are counted, that is what the constitution specifies. The intent is and always has been to appraise how many people reside within the borders. Further, congressional seats are apportioned by the number of people in the country, not by the number of adult males, nor by voting citizens nor by any other qualifier, that is how it has always been.
If Trump wants to suggest a Constitutional Amendment, he is free to do so. There is a process in place.
That is what has been done historically. There was a recent court case that tried to stop counting illegals in redistricting. The case lost, not because government had to count illegals, but because the government had the choice.
A bunch of you keep repeating the lie (or are too dense to understand) that the EO changes what the census counts. It simply eliminates them in determining congressional apportionment.
Are you this ignorant of how things are done? " My question is how does the census determine who is here illegally and who is not?" The Census CANNOT ASK IF THEY ARE ILLEGAL OR NOT.
Therefore if they are just head counting and districts are established, per the law, by how many people each district can have, Illegals will be counted in readjusting current districts.
Wait a minute! We are on the same page on this matter so how am I being ignorant? I am aware that the census cannot ask if they are illegal or not. All I am saying is if Trump wants to exclude illegal aliens from the census (and I agree with him) how will he be able to do that?
That is what has been done historically. There was a recent court case that tried to stop counting illegals in redistricting. The case lost, not because government had to count illegals, but because the government had the choice.
A bunch of you keep repeating the lie (or are too dense to understand) that the EO changes what the census counts. It simply eliminates them in determining congressional apportionment.
The question becomes how does the census determine how many to eliminate in determining congressional apportionment? Guesswork???
What is wrong with that man. The census is to count people.
President Donald Trump signed a memorandum Tuesday claiming that undocumented migrants should not be counted in the census for purposes of deciding how many members of Congress are apportioned to each state – though the practical impact of the president's expected move is uncertain at best.
"Respect for the law and protection of the integrity of the democratic process warrant the exclusion of illegal aliens from the apportionment base, to the extent feasible and to the maximum extent of the President's discretion under the law," Trump said in the brief document. https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-tel...161353555.html
Well, they are here illegally, so they should not count.
For the purposes of apportionment, to be used in determining seats in the House of Representatives and the electoral college, we do not need to count people illegally entering the country, because they do not belong here, and should not have any influence to determine the way we run our nation.
Well, they are here illegally, so they should not count.
For the purposes of apportionment, to be used in determining seats in the House of Representatives and the electoral college, we do not need to count people illegally entering the country, because they do not belong here, and should not have any influence to determine the way we run our nation.
How does the census determine how many should not count?
The question becomes how does the census determine how many to eliminate in determining congressional apportionment? Guesswork???
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Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge
How does the census determine how many should not count?
Ask it another way, it still makes no sense
All we do is count legal residents, there is no elimination involved.
If I ask you to count the people walking into a baseball stadium or a rock concert who are ticket holders, are you eliminating anyone? Or are you just counting people who have a ticket?
The question becomes how does the census determine how many to eliminate in determining congressional apportionment? Guesswork???
That's a good question. The Obama administration wanted to use statistics and estimates to determine the actual count but lost court cases. They wanted more money (based on population counts) to go to heavily Democratic cities, which are more likely to have undercounts. The census does a lot of surveys and estimates.
I don't know if surveys and estimates would pass court tests. I don't know if his EO passes court tests even if he had specific numbers. But its an open question that will be litigated. How is it one man, one vote, when illegals constitute a large portion of certain districts?
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