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I did not say that they did but question if one is NEVER allowed to vote for a representative why be counted to determine representation.
Nor were Native Americans untaxed counted and slaves only counted 3/5s.
The country did not have illegal aliens in 1790. Perhaps it time for another amendment.
That is the only way you can make this constitutional. Trump’s memo, however, was obviously not, leaving aside the impracticality of what he ordered. Until then, stick to “whole persons” and focus on real issues faced by our country. Most Americans are tired of his political distractions in the form of unconstitutional executive actions.
the census is to count CITIZENS, and Permanent non-citizens (ie here on a visa)
"undocumented"...ILLEGAL immigrants… are illegal, and undocumented..therefore do not actually permanently reside anywhere in the US
think of it this way.... I live in NY, but also own/rent residences in TX, FL, and PR...should I be counted 4 times as they are all legal residences....should I be allowed to vote 4 times too???
Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which
may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be
determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to
Service for a Term of Years,
The point of this thread is to discuss a non-existent category. Obviously, the census cannot count undocumented people since the term is a deliberately stupid term intended to disrupt any discussion of the topic it is injected into.
The census includes everyone that fills the census out.
Oldglory---Everyone is supposed to fill out a census form, even illegals. On the form, they are supposed to state their immigration status. I suspect that most illegals won't bother filling out the form or talking to a census taker.
^^^^They most certainly can.
That is not true. Trump tried to get it on the census and it didn't happen.
Do I have to fill out the census if I am not a citizen?
The U.S. Supreme Court blocked the inclusion of a citizenship question on the 2020 Census. ... This meant that all people living in the U.S., including non- citizens, should be counted. Information that you provide on the Census (which will NOT ask about citizenship status) can't be used against you
What is wrong with that man. The census is to count people.
President Donald Trump signed a memorandum Tuesday claiming that undocumented migrants should not be counted in the census for purposes of deciding how many members of Congress are apportioned to each state – though the practical impact of the president's expected move is uncertain at best.
"Respect for the law and protection of the integrity of the democratic process warrant the exclusion of illegal aliens from the apportionment base, to the extent feasible and to the maximum extent of the President's discretion under the law," Trump said in the brief document. https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-tel...161353555.html
"If we change the words used, maybe we can change reality."
Illegal aliens/immigrants are what they are. They have no legal standing in this country. They knew they were breaking the law but did it anyways. They knew that they would have no legal standing when they illegally entered the United States. Counting them presupposes they are citizens. They aren't.
If state and local governments want to foot the bill for emergency room visits, welfare and public schools, that is their choice. That should not give those states the right to inflate their census tallies in order to add Congressional districts and get more federal money. They're actively choosing to aid and abet criminal behavior, they can foot the bill on their own dime.
If the Dems want to go all the way to the Supreme Court on this one, they're welcome to do so. They'll lose. They don't have the right to count people who have no legal right to be here.
Kinda smacks of the South wanting to count black slaves prior to the Civil War, just because they wanted to inflate their census tallies, doesn't it?
I can’t believe that they were to begin with. We’re not allowed to get an accurate representation of the population of our citizens? Can you imagine if republicans flooded their districts with unlawful Eastern European Christians to skew political representation? There would be a national outcry, people would be arrested.
So , when are the Dem leaders going to demand that people who come here for vacation be counted? Or, those who come here on visas? Not much difference, they come and they go and some may stay awhile. None are citizens. Except, those who come on vacation and on visa tend to enter this country legally while illegals break the law to enter this country.
Write your senators and congressman.
Get them all straightened out.
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