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Old 08-16-2020, 07:28 AM
 
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Just when I thought the Trump Administration couldn't sink any lower on this USPS issue. Moments ago:

News anchor:. "there's no evidence of widespread voter fraud."

Trump Chief of Staff Mark Meadows: "there's no evidence that there's not."

Jesus.
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Old 08-16-2020, 08:28 AM
 
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Maybe I am wrong that Trump has no idea that his statements are so bizarre that it is evidence of a brain health issue. What if he really is so diabolical that he knows he has worn people down psychologically to the point that he can really get away with saying something as outrageous as admitting he is trying to obstruct voting by hobbling the USPS.

So here's the alternate analysis:

He has already been trying to brainwash the populace into believing that mail-in voting will produce widespread voter fraud. Now that he has convinced his followers that this mechanism of fraud is so great and evil that only evil itself can overcome it. So he verbalizes something that to normal people is so unspeakable that it is out of this world...but to the believers that follow him looks like righteousness where the ends justifies the means.

From a psychological standpoint, something unspeakable cannot be said. People just don't verbalize something in their mind that is unspeakable under cultural norms. So if that unspeakable thing is said, then it blows out people's minds to the point where they cannot process the profound wrongness or even criminality of it.

Beyond that tripwire is a cognitive space where no normal mind can reach into and grapple with. The unspeakable act is safely in an outer zone of no consequence, and Monday turns to Tuesdays and we just go on with our lives like nothing unspeakable just happened.

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Old 08-16-2020, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Nashville, TN -
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Yep, the most corrupt president in history. He orchestrated the ballot mess, a violation of his worn oath, and now he has to live with his loss in November when the sanity returns and he's ousted.
I SO wish you were right. I don't think you are, unfortunately.
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Old 08-16-2020, 12:49 PM
 
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Do they? There are about 19,378,102 people in NY, and you know "most" of them to know if they like him or not? Did they always not like him or was it just when he became president? I lived there for awhile, decades ago, and I never heard anyone complain about him, never.
T was never a real NY'er.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...yorker/601324/

T was never accepted by NY.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...k-unpopularity

T loves NY, but it doesn't care much for him.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/n...-protests.html

Of course, there are a few outlier here and there.
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Old 08-16-2020, 03:52 PM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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T was never a real NY'er.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...yorker/601324/

T was never accepted by NY.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...k-unpopularity

T loves NY, but it doesn't care much for him.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/n...-protests.html

Of course, there are a few outlier here and there.
Hmmm. At least you could have chosen people from before he even ran for president, to avoid the obvios bias. The jealousy in the first one could probably be expected with a good portion of people, since many do not have that kind of money or even a good fraction of it.

People did like him, before he ran against Hillary that is. Two die hard Hillary fans, Oprah and Joy Behar liked him before he ran against Hillary. He and Oprah were old friends. She had him on her show at least once, why would anyone put him on their show if they are so hated? People that intensely dislike someone tend to not watch tv shows/movies that they are in...that is just a fact. Hollywood types liked him, political types, like the Clinton's, liked him - well, probably cause he gave them money(they were for sale) The average New Yorkers probably went years without even thinking about him. The wealthy New Yorkers probably liked him because he opened doors for them, funded their pet projects, made them feel special if he showed up at their functions or if they were invited to his, etc. I'm sure there are those who liked him for who he was and not for what he could do for them.


Anyway, you have 9,689,050 more stories to share to prove that "most NY's hate Trump"
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Old 08-17-2020, 12:45 PM
 
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1 in 4 people cast their vote via mail in voting in the 2016 election. 1 in 4.This is not a rare practice that just now started on a widespread scale this election. Where was the outcry of "but voter fraud" then, or in every election since the Civil war that utilized the practice?

Anything that intentionally goes to impede, restrict, cause more difficulty, discourage any voter, cause a portion of these Amercan votes to be missed/not counted would be a travesty to our democracy and a would be a direct attack on one our most important freedoms.

Our founding fathers would be turning in their graves if they knew any generation or any sitting leadership of any political affiliation would engage in any such practice that does any of the above. Even more so that a sizable portion of Americans are on board with it because their tribe leader is on board with it
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Old 08-17-2020, 12:46 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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1 in 4 people cast their vote via mail in voting in the 2016 election. 1 in 4.This is not a rare practice that just now started on a widespread this election.

Anything that intentionally goes to impede, restrict, cause more difficulty, discourage any voter, cause a portion of these Amercan votes to be missed/not counted would be a travesty to our democracy and a would be a direct attack on one our most important freedoms.

Our founding fathers would be turning in their graves if they knew any generation or any sitting leadership of any political affiliation would engage in any such practice. Even more so that a sizable portion of Americans are on board with it
Bingo.

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Old 08-17-2020, 01:21 PM
 
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Whether you believe the unsubstantiated lied that voting fraud is going to happen if we don't abolish this right.
You believe that lie?

1,071 proven instances of voter fraud
938 criminal convictions
43 civil penalties
74 diversion programs
8 judicial findings
8 official findings

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whi...fraudcases.pdf

It definitely happens.

How frequently is a different argument. Whether it'll happen in the future is based on a crystal ball so that argument is pointless.
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Old 08-17-2020, 01:23 PM
 
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1 in 4 people cast their vote via mail in voting in the 2016 election. 1 in 4.This is not a rare practice that just now started on a widespread scale this election. Where was the outcry of "but voter fraud" then, or in every election since the Civil war that utilized the practice?

Anything that intentionally goes to impede, restrict, cause more difficulty, discourage any voter, cause a portion of these Amercan votes to be missed/not counted would be a travesty to our democracy and a would be a direct attack on one our most important freedoms.

Our founding fathers would be turning in their graves if they knew any generation or any sitting leadership of any political affiliation would engage in any such practice that does any of the above. Even more so that a sizable portion of Americans are on board with it because their tribe leader is on board with it
There are states that aren't prepared to suddenly switch to mail-in ballots with only a few months to go.

That would throw those states into chaos and royally screw the election.

Those states moving at the last minute to main-in ballots are going to have such massive logistical problems that it's going to cause problems with an accurate and timely vote. Some states are even considering new laws that allow people to post-date their ballot by a WEEK after the election. That's election fraud at the state level.
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Old 08-17-2020, 02:32 PM
 
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There are states that aren't prepared to suddenly switch to mail-in ballots with only a few months to go.

That would throw those states into chaos and royally screw the election.

Those states moving at the last minute to main-in ballots are going to have such massive logistical problems that it's going to cause problems with an accurate and timely vote. Some states are even considering new laws that allow people to post-date their ballot by a WEEK after the election. That's election fraud at the state level.
Every state already does absentee / mail in voting. 1 in 4 Americans did it last election. Now all of a sudden it will be an issue?

But alright, I'll play along. Say it will be a "massive logistical problem" now all of a sudden because of sheer size. Is the answer then to reduce sorting machines and block increased funding to improve the "logistical problem" or would those be opposite actions to take if one was trying to improve things to make sure it does not happen (or the problem is reduced)?
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