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Old 11-28-2020, 08:51 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Ohiogirl81 View Post
No doubt the families of 260,000 people would disagree.
What a truly obnoxious comment. It's obvious you didn't even bother to consider the implications of what was posted.

You support a lie.
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Old 11-28-2020, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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How about all the suicides, depression, child abuse, spousal abuse, drug addiction, alcoholism and other serious problems caused by the lockdowns.

We know many people have died either because they were turned away from hospitals when they needed treatment for more routine medical issues, people who died because they feared to go to a hospital afraid to contract covid, people who died because they didn't get timely screening because of lockdowns and lack of hospital access, people who died because empty hospitals quit admiting patients for all manner of other serious medical care while admitting only Covid patients.

There have been a lot of other deaths not attributed to Covid, that people would be alive today without the lockdowns and hysteria surrounding Covid, and the heavy handed treatment of medical care during the shut downs.

There is a lot of death related to the Covid hysteria.

There is a lot of physical and mental suffering related to the Covid hysteria.

There is a lot of economic damage and resulting suffering from evictions to food insecurity, related to the Covid hysteria.

Yet all the government/media complex reports or cares about is Covid. It is like as long as Covid deaths are minimized, they could care less if an additional million people die from the fallout, or 10 million people go bankrupt, lose their life savings, lose their home, etc.

They don't care. They have blinders on and it is killing us, often literally.
Sorry but lockdowns kept covid deaths down and allowed more people with the disease to live. Granted it didn't fully work and we saw a good number of deaths due to non-Covid causes but there is no proof more died that way. Car accident deaths for example should have really gone down since many states were closed for a month+ and face another close down again now.
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Old 11-28-2020, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Originally Posted by Ohiogirl81 View Post
No doubt the families of 260,000 people would disagree.
Why? Do they not like to know the facts?
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Old 11-28-2020, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Sorry but lockdowns kept covid deaths down and allowed more people with the disease to live.
That is what lots of people are speculating but there are no facts to support your statement. In fact, studies from all over the world are telling us that lockdowns do not work.

Try getting your information from sources other than CNN.

https://www.naturalblaze.com/2020/09...dont-work.html

https://indianexpress.com/article/op...-work-6855411/

https://dailysurge.com/2020/08/scien...t-work-period/

https://www.thedailyfodder.com/2020/...wer-covid.html

https://electroverse.net/44000-scien...wns-dont-work/

There are many more.
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Old 11-28-2020, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Why? Do they not like to know the facts?
No, their reality is that these deaths were not "likely to die anyway" like many keyboard warriors on here say the Covid deaths are from with no proof. There is no real way of knowing when/if someone would die unless their condition was indeed terminal, and even still it may not be given a true timetable or be accurate to it.
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Old 11-28-2020, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Sector 001
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Hmm... I don't agree with the left's overreaction to covid for a number of reasons including doing a simply risk/reward analysis shows that the vast majority of people affected are elderly. Had we gone the barrington declaration route instead of this one size fits all approach that you will never get the entire population to comply with for extended periods of time, maybe we actually would have saved more people. Does the media tell high risk people to take extra precautions? Not really.. they tell everyone to wear masks when they go out. That's all they really say, and that's really irresponsible when you consider the age group of people most affected and the demographics.

That said, the OP's article is misleading and was removed for a reason... there are excess deaths this year over previous years. Like most of the stuff that right wing rag puts out, it's misinformation. I'm just being honest. I stopped using it as a reliable source for anything some time ago.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/e...t&region=World

Around 40-50% of total fatalities are from nursing homes, give or take. Given what we know I think it's irresponsible to still be locking down schools and colleges to be honest. Once that vaccine gets released give it to the elderly first so life can return to normal. Keep taking your Vitamin D.
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Old 11-28-2020, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Hmm... I don't agree with the left's overreaction to covid for a number of reasons including doing a simply risk/reward analysis shows that the vast majority of people affected are elderly. Had we gone the barrington declaration route instead of this one size fits all approach that you will never get the entire population to comply with for extended periods of time, maybe we actually would have saved more people. Does the media tell high risk people to take extra precautions? Not really.. they tell everyone to wear masks when they go out. That's all they really say, and that's really irresponsible when you consider the age group of people most affected and the demographics.

That said, the OP's article is misleading and was removed for a reason... there are excess deaths this year over previous years. Like most of the stuff that right wing rag puts out, it's misinformation. I'm just being honest. I stopped using it as a reliable source for anything some time ago.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/e...t&region=World

Around 40-50% of total fatalities are from nursing homes, give or take. Given what we know I think it's irresponsible to still be locking down schools and colleges to be honest. Once that vaccine gets released give it to the elderly first so life can return to normal. Keep taking your Vitamin D.
Your premise of your first paragraph is false. Firstly, there is no proof that no "lockdowns" wouldn't increase deaths. Yes it would likely decrease suicide by how much I don't know, but hospitals would still put off elective procedures and go into crisis standards of care regardless. Secondly, there has been a push for elderly to stay at home, whether they listen to it like Arizona's governor putting personal responsibility for wearing a mask instead of executive order, is another story altogether. Hint, they don't.
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Old 11-28-2020, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Originally Posted by Roadking2003 View Post
That is what lots of people are speculating but there are no facts to support your statement. In fact, studies from all over the world are telling us that lockdowns do not work.

Try getting your information from sources other than CNN.

https://www.naturalblaze.com/2020/09...dont-work.html

https://indianexpress.com/article/op...-work-6855411/

https://dailysurge.com/2020/08/scien...t-work-period/

https://www.thedailyfodder.com/2020/...wer-covid.html

https://electroverse.net/44000-scien...wns-dont-work/

There are many more.
It isn't cut and dry as to if they don't work or do work. Many people cited the New York problem where despite having stay-at-home orders, case rose for the next week or so over when they would have hit the two week incubation of the virus. Why, because the virus spread at home because people didn't quarantine if they thought they had the virus or couldn't with multi-generation housing. However these facts get perverted by those that think it is a hoax and everything should stay open.
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Old 11-28-2020, 09:37 AM
 
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Ah, the plandemic in its full glory. Excuse by Democrats and MSM to commit voter fraud and implement the Great Reset.
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Old 11-28-2020, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Ah, the plandemic in its full glory. Excuse by Democrats and MSM to commit voter fraud and implement the Great Reset.
Plandemic was proven to br false and there is no proof of voter fraud. What's next, Democrats were funding the Al Qaeda terrorists who attacked us on 9/11?
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