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Not break through the barricade with guys with guns pointed at it.
She had many chances. She ****ed up.
Fair enough. The CP with the House members considered protestors at the barricade who were then banging against the door and breaking glass serious enough to have the members crouch behind chairs and lay down on the floor. (The two events sure appear to be contemporaneous - or at least interviewed House member(s) thought so.) The primary goal at that moment was not to play catch with Ashli.
Who here would hesitate to shoot someone breaking into their home or business in a sudden violent manner?
If a huge violent mob was trying to batter down your front doors, what would you do?
I don't feel sorry for the woman. She didn't need to be at the front of the action.
That was her choice, and as a veteran, she would have known any guns on the other side of the doors would not be unloaded when it came out and was trained on her.
She allowed her political passions to overwhelm her good common sense and wisdom. If she had better emotional control, she could be happily arguing politics this morning, enjoying a nice winter day back home in Colorado, instead of lying in a morgue in D.C.
jojajn;]Anyone who believes the police did not respond appropriately when our leaders' lives were threatened by an out of control mob, some of whom had guns, pipe bombs, and Molotov cocktails, are you:
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-against guns?
Not for the law abiding
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-against defending your castle?
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-against self defense?
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-against backing the blue?
Not against the one's who do their jobs within the boundaries of the law
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Which is it?
I would have never guessed we had this much in common. It's refreshing.
Uniformed CP had been defending the door while some, including a ranking House member, were being evacuated through the Speakers Lobby. Once the lobby was a clear the officers who were being verbally threatened with punches to the glass smashing right by their heads moved to the side. The protestors then started seemingly as a group to break their way through the door, smashing glass and the frame.
The gray-haired plainclothes CP with his gun drawn and clearly visible popped out. The protestors saw the gun. Loudly yelled: He has a gun. It was being pointed directly at the new opening. That Ashli at that point popped through. He shot.
There is no way that officer could be criticized. This was a mob seemingly frustrated they hadn't been able to reach the Congressman (and others) who'd just been dangled like a prize right in front of them. The frontline police having done their duty had now moved to the side. Just as the tactical police arrived. Only to call for medical support.
There was no way to save Ashli from herself because this video shows the entire group was about to charge through.
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But that isn't what I'm talking about. I'm asking you, as a man, would you have shot her? Was there really no non-lethal alternatives when there are probably 10+ police officers standing within 15 feet, and there were several cops who had literally been standing right next to her for who knows how long, and were practically in arms-reach of her when she was shot.
You can justify it all you want, you can call her stupid, a criminal, a traitor, whatever you like, but it was wrong.
Who cares if she is a woman or not? She's a USAF veteran who did TOD in the Middle East, she's not some little shrinking violet, the delicate female flower. If you watch the videos I posted, she definitely isn't the "little woman" type. She's the type who will throw a stink when a man holds the door open for her because "I can open my own damn doors!"
What women like her need to understand is that, when you are choosing to act as aggressively as she did, you need to be prepared to accept and take full on any blow back that results from your actions. You don't get to yell "IT"S ON!!!!!" and curl up and go "please don't hurt me" in the same breath.
I'm a woman and I say she got exactly what she deserved.
Doesn’t matter. She would’ve had basic knowledge of firearms and she would’ve know that men trained to point them at you are also trained to shoot you with them.
And especially since she was security forces - MP is what I guess they call them in the Army?
She was qualified on M-9, M-16 and probably even M-60.
I wasn't security forces but qualified on the first two and taught to use the other. We had to qualify every year in the olden days. Now they don't which i think is weird.
Uniformed CP had been defending the door while some, including a ranking House member, were being evacuated through the Speakers Lobby. Once the lobby was a clear the officers who were being verbally threatened with punches to the glass smashing right by their heads moved to the side. The protestors then started seemingly as a group to break their way through the door, smashing glass and the frame.
The gray-haired plainclothes CP with his gun drawn and clearly visible popped out. The protestors saw the gun. Loudly yelled: He has a gun. It was being pointed directly at the new opening. That Ashli at that point popped through. He shot.
There is no way that officer could be criticized. This was a mob seemingly frustrated they hadn't been able to reach the Congressman (and others) who'd just been dangled like a prize right in front of them. The frontline police having done their duty had now moved to the side. Just as the tactical police arrived. Only to call for medical support.
There was no way to save Ashli from herself because this video shows the entire group was about to charge through.
All I need to do is read your headline to see it is bs.
There were at least a half dozen armed officers with shields leading people out and 3 or 4 protestors banging on the door.
The shooter could easily have killed police officers on the other side of the door.
And I'm sure the police outside the building had warned the protesters to stay back as well. There were people ramming the door as the police stood right next to them and watched them doing it. The cops had been literally standing in front of the doorway the girl climbed into. The cop who shot her was hiding in a cubby like he was under fire in Vietnam, even though there were like 6-8 cops standing on the other side of the door that he knew were there because he had just talked to them a few seconds earlier.
You said "The cops shouted for everyone to back off/retreat. Everyone did but her."... Which is bull****. No one was backing off. But she was the only one who climbed up into the doorway, which was the doorway the police had been standing in front of 5 seconds earlier.
Furthermore, being told to back off isn't the same thing as being warned if you jump up into a doorway you will be shot immediately. Furthermore, most of the people in this thread have claimed that the cop didn't know there were cops on the other side in the doorway, which was a lie. And that he was afraid for his life. Which is a lie. Or something something about the girl's backpack. Which is bull****.
In any case, you guys don't care, so this conversation is pointless.
Well, next time that woman will know better, won't she?
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