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I think some members deny that there were any real people in North America before settlement, just like they deny the genocide committed by the USA government to obtain more land.
before the Europeans landed here and we are speaking their language here, there were over 1,000 tribes fighting and taking land from each other and many committed genocide. That's the case for the rest of the planet. What is it that you want us to say? do you understand that if things didn't go how they went, both of us and millions of us wouldn't be here. We are talking about our existence. You want to deny and complain about your own existence?
do you understand that if things didn't go how they went, both of us and millions of us wouldn't be here. We are talking about our existence. You want to deny and complain about your own existence?
I don't think that's what people want. I would settle for acknowledgement.
before the Europeans landed here and we are speaking their language here, there were over 1,000 tribes fighting and taking land from each other and many committed genocide. That's the case for the rest of the planet. What is it that you want us to say? do you understand that if things didn't go how they went, both of us and millions of us wouldn't be here. We are talking about our existence. You want to deny and complain about your own existence?
Canada didn't commit government sanctioned genocide with their First Nations. The engaged in treaties which are enforced to this day.
And no, not all First Nation tribes committed genocide. They were not all "savages".
Slavery Before the Trans-Atlantic Trade is a good article and paragraph five tells of the difference between the African institution and the European one (which was more Islamic).
Regarding the educational statistics, I agree that the teaching methods can be better. It does start in the home first and I think that we're in a time where information is very abundant and the parents can position their children in a better spot so as to not be too reliant on teachers trying to teach.
That's why it's important for us so-called Black Americans (cringe) to speak on our history amongst one another. That would spark us to overcompensate because we need to get out of this position. I'm not going to get too deep into it.
You're missing a very important point: The African slaves had to be captured and sold into slavery by other Africans before they even entered the Atlantic Slave Trade. That's chattel slavery. They were someone else's property upon capture, regardless of whether they were kept in Africa by victorious warlords or by the rich who could afford to buy them, or sold into the Atlantic Slave Trade.
Face it: Africans exported their slave-based culture, which was their societal norm at the time - it's how they lived - and still is in some parts of Africa, to many other places in the world. It's exactly why Black slave owners in the US had no qualms about owning slaves, themselves. Just a few...
John Carruthers Stanly: owned 3 plantations and 163 slaves
William Ellison: owned 900 acres of agricultural land and 63 slaves
Antoine Dubuclet and his wife Claire Pollard: owned a sugar plantation ans 100 slaves
Andrew Durnford: owned a sugar plantation and 77 slaves
That was YOUR link. So on one hand you are arguing, it is accurate and on another hand you are arguing it is not? Which is it?
Explain how a chattel slave in Africa becomes free? It's well-known that they were captured by other Africans and sold or traded for profit.
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As for your second paragraph, nice try moving the goalpost. Now you are saying “the Africans who” rather than “African blacks.” Good job being a bit more specific after all this time. Maybe when you educate yourself more than you can actually have a real conversation as to some of the cultures.
Can you prove that Black Africans didn't capture and sell other formerly free Black Africans into slavery for their own profit before they even stepped foot in the new world?
Come on... You know damned well chattel slavery was fully ensconced as a societal norm in Africa among Blacks long before the Atlantic Slave Trade ever started. It's how they lived. For centuries. Blacks captured and enslaved other Blacks. Many were frequently sold for profit.
Regardless, their history would still be interesting to learn, I have two adopted full blood Native American niece and nephew whom would love to know about the history of the many tribes in this nation. They were called Indians because Columbus thought he landed in India and the term stuck, no I don’t consider it a insult, but they are not Indians because they are not from India.
Still, they have no more right to be called native Americans than anyone else that was born here. Back then no one was native to this country all of our ancestors migrated here from somewhere else so they weren't natives.
No one is denying that there weren't people here before the wave of Europeans came here but they migrated here just as the Europeans did so no, they weren't natives.
when 'black history' is singled out it isn't fair to the many other american ethnicites. why not a chinese, hungarian, mexican, spanish, polynesian, russian, cuban, history month, etc. etc?
It is un-american to single out one group for special recognition. We should year round celebrate american history which includes all!
Additionally, they have to teach LGBTQ history in our public schools.
You can add teachers unions and our country's public education system to the list of reasons why some Blacks might feel oppressed. Here's what they contribute to society:
Percent of 12th grade students of each race/ethnicity who are proficient or above, by race/ethnicity group:
Does anyone really believe that Blacks, Hispanics, and American Indians/Alaska Natives are congenitally that much less intelligent than Asians and Whites? Or are our country's public schools doing a spectacularly crappy job of educating our children - our nation's future - and only some groups have figured out how to partially rise above that travesty on their own?
Chicago Public Schools still not in session.
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