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The trial is not over yet. I am disconnected with the your permissiveness towards felons and distaste for cops enforcing law and order.
Floyd was restrained after he wriggled out of the cop car. When the cops felt that Floyd might be in distress, they called for an ambulance. Floyd was held down till the medics arrived. The crowd gathering around the scene were heckling and distracting the cops. They were the ones guilty of contributing to Floyd's death.
You said Floyd might be in “distress”. why would the officer continue to kneel on the neck of someone in distress.
Why did the officer continue to kneel on Floyd’s neck after he was told Floyd had no pulse. If someone has no pulse why did he stay in that position until the EMT arrived?
None of the bystanders were detained , arrested or charged with interfering with the police , obstructing the police or disturbing the peace. They did nothing wrong.
A paramedic told the officer that based as a paramedic what he was doing was dangerous and life threatening
An mma fighter with knowledge of chokeholds told the officer what he was doing was dangerous and life threatening.
The supervising leadership of the police force testified in court that what the officer was doing was against training policy and protocol and officers are taught yearly what he was doing was dangerous.
Your argument seems to be he was a black drug user accused of a crime so anything the officer did is fine despite ample evidence the officer was engaged in life threatening actions that were not indicated or per protocol.
The Justice Department will likely wait to see the state jury's verdict in the current trial before deciding whether to bring separate federal charges. The JD could bring the federal charge of "deprivation of civil rights under color of law". Basically meaning that former PO Chauvin, while exercising his official power, intentionally & knowingly deprived George Floyd of his life & liberty.
The best bet would for the Feds to have those charges ready to go. We all know that if somehow Chauvin is let to walk (not a hung jury, but not guilty verdict), he will be a subject to street justice. If he isn't arrested on his way out of the court building, the street justice will get to him before the Feds can put him back into custody.
You said Floyd might be in “distress”. why would the officer continue to kneel on the neck of someone in distress.
Why did the officer continue to kneel on Floyd’s neck after he was told Floyd had no pulse. If someone has no pulse why did he stay in that position until the EMT arrived?
None of the bystanders were detained , arrested or charged with interfering with the police , obstructing the police or disturbing the peace. They did nothing wrong.
A paramedic told the officer that based as a paramedic what he was doing was dangerous and life threatening
An mma fighter with knowledge of chokeholds told the officer what he was doing was dangerous and life threatening.
The supervising leadership of the police force testified in court that what the officer was doing was against training policy and protocol and officers are taught yearly what he was doing was dangerous.
Your argument seems to be he was a black drug user accused of a crime so anything the officer did is fine despite ample evidence the officer was engaged in life threatening actions that were not indicated or per protocol.
You seem to discount everything Floyd did that got all of us into this situation. If you put yourself in harm's way fooling around on a railroad crossing, do you place the blame on the train driver for not looking out for you?
For anyone wishing to broaden their knowledge of rule 404 in Minnesota law:
The character evidence rule forbids evidence of character traits or general propensities. The most important implication of the rule is that evidence of a defendant’s prior crimes is generally not admissible at trial. The rationale for the rule is that jurors might give such evidence too much weight, or they might convict the defendant simply for being a bad person even if he is innocent in the incident in question. As some courts have said, each defendant stands before a jury with a clean slate. We try defendants for what they did, not who they are.
The rule has been part of the Anglo-American system for hundreds of years. It is codified as Rule 404 of the Rules of Evidence in Minnesota, as elsewhere. It is perhaps the most important rule of evidence in criminal practice. It is also perhaps the most frequently litigated rule of evidence in criminal practice because it is so complicated. It is complicated because it is subject to a variety of exceptions and qualifications.
My note: sounds that the courts utilize the what currently happened in that specific take down. Pragmatic and contained in the scenario in question .
It makes me sick to my stomach that Floyd even thanked them for moving him from the vehichle.....then 9 minutes later he was
DEAD!
I want the prosecutor to do a full pause and play every five seconds to that 9 minute debacle and say to chauvin: okay how about now? Was he a threat ? Resisting you? Punching you? Spitting on you? ...okay moving on... Same question.
And each time chauvin (if he's sane ) would have to say. No the suspect was not.
Cuz after nine minutes he was dead Mr chauvin because Mr Floyd was not resisting, was not breathing, and was not having a pulse.
This B'S by his defense lawyer saying...but but ...Floyd 'could' have regained awareness and gone bezerk on the officers!! Yeah the coulda shoulda argument , is NOT the reality of facts as they actually happened.
Another thing , it was wrong of that store manager to send that young boy after big George ,the boy knew George was high , kid could have been stabbed , manager should have gone himself ...
Yup, that twenty bucks wasn't a big deal; especially, when the kid who worked in Cup Foods offered to pay for accepting the counterfeit money. The store manager wanted Floyd to get into trouble with the police for trying to stiff him. If the store manager was a concerned citizen, he should have noted down Floyd's car license number and notify the police about the counterfeit money. This would enabled the police to catch the people who gave Floyd the fake money to pass around.
My problem is that this was an attempt to pass a counterfeit $20 Bill. The officers knew Floyd and could have let him walk or offered to let him return it. There was no need for a confrontation. Next thing you have half a dozen police, two ambulances and a dozen emergency personnel. And just for fun the Entire nation is watching. That is the difference
My problem is that this was an attempt to pass a counterfeit $20 Bill. The officers knew Floyd and could have let him walk or offered to let him return it. There was no need for a confrontation. Next thing you have half a dozen police, two ambulances and a dozen emergency personnel. And just for fun the Entire nation is watching. That is the difference
I didn't take what they said that way. Police can certainly address what appears to be a violation of the law, and hold people who are breaking the law accountable.
That poster's point was that every police response to something someone shouldn't have done doesn't has to be a violent, made-for-TV, full on, SWAT combat.
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So in other words, no laws, right?