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Thanks for the links. I did read all of them. Three are word press websites. That is a bit of a red flag. The last one is legit but does not mention the animal deaths. What you presented is a concern.
However I did find this. Which claims the above mentioned studies are not true. Who knows what to believe. I did read other studies that tested a vaccine for SARS1 on Animals and at most 1 out of 18 died.
False. Animals vaccinated in the 2012 study referred to in this video did not die when exposed to a live virus and the research did not involve mRNA vaccines, according to the lead author of the study referenced.
The only humane way is the vaccines. If we had pre-made vaccines in 2019, how many US dead by today from Covid 19 vs vaccines?
What will save India?
Oxygen & hospital beds.
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It is an immunization. The vaccines have been shown to prevent infection.
The mRNA vaccines do not alter genes, and they have not "killed ALL animals" they were tested on.
Humans are animals, too, and millions have taken the vaccines with no adverse reactions at all.
Oh great, NOW humans are animals. Unlike when we debated SV40 from the contaminated Polio vaccines & you said "It only caused cancer in animals, not humans".
The Great Polio Vaccine that saved the world from a virus with a 5% mortality rate but gave us cancers with a 95% mortality rate. I find in funny every time someone says "Good thing we had POLIO vaccines".
Stephen Karanja: Kenyan anti-vaccine doctor dies from Covid-19
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That is some Karma for ya.
Not any more than the Danish doctor who died a week & a half after he got the covid vaccine while joking about being "busy getting autism". Sweet Karma.
Oh great, NOW humans are animals. Unlike when we debated SV40 from the contaminated Polio vaccines & you said "It only caused cancer in animals, not humans".
The Great Polio Vaccine that saved the world from a virus with a 5% mortality rate but gave us cancers with a 95% mortality rate. I find in funny every time someone says "Good thing we had POLIO vaccines".
Getting polio is not a good thing. Look at all the people messed up for life in the past. Its good we took care of that. And there are no known cases of polio causing cancer. Just more of this tin foil stuff.
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Not any more than the Danish doctor who died a week & a half after he got the covid vaccine while joking about being "busy getting autism". Sweet Karma.
When people start dropping dead left and right I will worry about it. And I am not holding my breath for that. I got the vaccine. Feel fine. I know endless people who are vaccinated. None have any issues. But I do know people who have died of covid.
Oxygen and hospital beds will saves some lives, but will remain limited. Only the vaccines will have the power to move whole populations humanely out of the Pandemic in a timely manner.
Oh yeah that's brilliant we should send you to India to lecture about how all they need is oxygen and hospital beds. Even better send you to Israel to explain to them how silly they were to do all these vaccinations to get their country where it is now, they should have just invested in more hospital beds.
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I expect cases in the US to fall dramatically soon. They are already down about 25% from recent highs. If its anything like the UK and Israel we should be under 5,000 cases a day soon. I don't know what to day to people who think the vaccine does not work.
I think this entire thing is incredibly frustrating for antivaxxers, it's pretty much their worst nightmare.
They make all this effort stupidly campaigning against vaccines, then along comes a pandemic killing millions of people that is being ended through the use of vaccines. Vaccines that were developed quickly and have proven very effective and safe. There is nothing worse that could have happened to the dogmatic antivaxxer then to see this country turning the corner with so much optimism going into the summer regarding the pandemic because it is all correctly being attributed to a successful vaccine rollout. Vaccine hesitancy has been steadily and consistently waning since the covid vaccines were released as people see what it is doing to this country, and the anti-vaxxers are left a group that is smaller, viewed as even more ridiculous, and frankly less and less relevant.
They are left denying the efficacy of vaccines which makes them look more foolish every passing day, fear-mongering about 1 in a million side-effects, trying to downplay the impact of a virus that has killed 570k+ Americans, inventing conspiracies about overcounting covid sickness/deah that have every country in the world in on the secret.
This pandemic and vaccine campaign have been horrible events for the antivaxxers.
Oh yeah that's brilliant we should send you to India to lecture about how all they need is oxygen and hospital beds. Even better send you to Israel to explain to them how silly they were to do all these vaccinations to get their country where it is now, they should have just invested in more hospital beds.
I think this entire thing is incredibly frustrating for antivaxxers, it's pretty much their worst nightmare.
They make all this effort stupidly campaigning against vaccines, then along comes a pandemic killing millions of people that is being ended through the use of vaccines. Vaccines that were developed quickly and have proven very effective and safe. There is nothing worse that could have happened to the dogmatic antivaxxer then to see this country turning the corner with so much optimism going into the summer regarding the pandemic because it is all correctly being attributed to a successful vaccine rollout. Vaccine hesitancy has been steadily and consistently waning since the covid vaccines were released as people see what it is doing to this country, and the anti-vaxxers are left a group that is smaller, viewed as even more ridiculous, and frankly less and less relevant.
They are left denying the efficacy of vaccines which makes them look more foolish every passing day, fear-mongering about 1 in a million side-effects, trying to downplay the impact of a virus that has killed 570k+ Americans, inventing conspiracies about overcounting covid sickness/deah that have every country in the world in on the secret.
This pandemic and vaccine campaign have been horrible events for the antivaxxers.
Oh yeah that's brilliant we should send you to India to lecture about how all they need is oxygen and hospital beds. Even better send you to Israel to explain to them how silly they were to do all these vaccinations to get their country where it is now, they should have just invested in more hospital beds.
I think this entire thing is incredibly frustrating for antivaxxers, it's pretty much their worst nightmare.
They make all this effort stupidly campaigning against vaccines, then along comes a pandemic killing millions of people that is being ended through the use of vaccines. Vaccines that were developed quickly and have proven very effective and safe. There is nothing worse that could have happened to the dogmatic antivaxxer then to see this country turning the corner with so much optimism going into the summer regarding the pandemic because it is all correctly being attributed to a successful vaccine rollout. Vaccine hesitancy has been steadily and consistently waning since the covid vaccines were released as people see what it is doing to this country, and the anti-vaxxers are left a group that is smaller, viewed as even more ridiculous, and frankly less and less relevant.
They are left denying the efficacy of vaccines which makes them look more foolish every passing day, fear-mongering about 1 in a million side-effects, trying to downplay the impact of a virus that has killed 570k+ Americans, inventing conspiracies about overcounting covid sickness/deah that have every country in the world in on the secret.
This pandemic and vaccine campaign have been horrible events for the antivaxxers.
lol few things irritate people more than snobbish, dogmatic moralizers like you, and all you succeed in doing is driving away fence sitters and offending people who are generally pro-vaccine but have specific questions about COVID19 vaccine and it's new technologies (mrna vaccines) that don't fit into your binary way of thinking. You show this most prominently in the way you toss around the term "anti-vaxx" so liberally without considering how wrong and dumb it makes you look. Most of the people we know who haven't got the COVID vaccine aren't "anti-vaccine", they've gotten all their other vaccines and their kids and grandkids have too, because these vaccines unlike the Pfizer or Moderna ones have more than 10 years of data from clinical trials to show they're safe over long term and actually work. So quite the opposite of what you claim, they don't deny the effectiveness of vaccines in general, they simply question the rushed way the COVID vaccines are being rolled out. The people in these cases are simply anti-COVID19 vaccine or at least skeptical of it, because it was rushed through without proper clinical trials or enough time to see long term effects, or otherwise bad reactions have been suppressed and not adequately discussed.
This doesn't make them anti-vaxx, it makes them critical and cautious, but to religious zealots like you about vaccination (which is basically what you are), even mild questions and concerns about a rushed-through vaccine using un-tested tech are like sacrilige, and you get so triggered the rest of us can almost hear your blood pressure exploding. In fact it's likely due to people like you that, as New York Times now itself is admitting the USA will never reach herd immunity on COVID, and governors and leaders of state after state and country after country are banning vaccine passports or any kind of pro-vaccine dogma, even otherwise vaccine supporting people are turned off by all the damn shaming and moralizing about something that doesn't have an easy answer. So much for the "optimism based on the COVID vaccines" you like to claim. It has nothing to do with that-- outside of a few countries like India, most of the world is opening back up now due to a variety of reasons, but largely because the warmer weather limits virus spread and due to a combination of health measures, better hospitals and people recovering, COVID is getting manageable like the Spanish flu. (And even then places are moving slow, the Indianapolis 500 is limiting to 40 percent capacity and they're canceling all the events associated with it, and who knows what's happening with Olympics). Less than a third of US adults are fully vaccinated and even the vaccinated Americans are still getting infected and spreading the virus, Pfizer's own CEO is admitting people will likely need boosters because the mrna vaccines won't be effective much longer, so your fantasy is nothing more than your own delusion. We'll see what happens this fall, but getting over COVID19 is largely just getting over this crazy fear about it since large majority of people have at worst mild cases and we should have never shut things down like that to begin with. Sweden had the right idea all along, protect the very sick and vulnerable but don't put all these arrogant demands on the rest of the population at such low risk of it. Funny thing is there are a lot of pro-vaxxers on this forum but most of them at least get respect from others sticking to arguments and fact, ex. a lot of us may not agree with everything that suzy_q2010 writes in support of the vaccines but at least she tends to stick to factual arguments and not lambast the other side, let alone attacking fence sitters and people who are simply unsure. You on the other hand..
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