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lol few things irritate people more than snobbish, dogmatic moralizers like you, and all you succeed in doing is driving away fence sitters and offending people who are generally pro-vaccine but have specific questions about COVID19 vaccine and it's new technologies (mrna vaccines) that don't fit into your binary way of thinking. You show this most prominently in the way you toss around the term "anti-vaxx" so liberally without considering how wrong and dumb it makes you look. Most of the people we know who haven't got the COVID vaccine aren't "anti-vaccine", they've gotten all their other vaccines and their kids and grandkids have too, because these vaccines unlike the Pfizer or Moderna ones have more than 10 years of data from clinical trials to show they're safe over long term and actually work. So quite the opposite of what you claim, they don't deny the effectiveness of vaccines in general, they simply question the rushed way the COVID vaccines are being rolled out. The people in these cases are simply anti-COVID19 vaccine or at least skeptical of it, because it was rushed through without proper clinical trials or enough time to see long term effects, or otherwise bad reactions have been suppressed and not adequately discussed.
This doesn't make them anti-vaxx, it makes them critical and cautious, but to religious zealots like you about vaccination (which is basically what you are), even mild questions and concerns about a rushed-through vaccine using un-tested tech are like sacrilige, and you get so triggered the rest of us can almost hear your blood pressure exploding. In fact it's likely due to people like you that, as New York Times now itself is admitting the USA will never reach herd immunity on COVID, and governors and leaders of state after state and country after country are banning vaccine passports or any kind of pro-vaccine dogma, even otherwise vaccine supporting people are turned off by all the damn shaming and moralizing about something that doesn't have an easy answer. So much for the "optimism based on the COVID vaccines" you like to claim. It has nothing to do with that-- outside of a few countries like India, most of the world is opening back up now due to a variety of reasons, but largely because the warmer weather limits virus spread and due to a combination of health measures, better hospitals and people recovering, COVID is getting manageable like the Spanish flu. (And even then places are moving slow, the Indianapolis 500 is limiting to 40 percent capacity and they're canceling all the events associated with it, and who knows what's happening with Olympics). Less than a third of US adults are fully vaccinated and even the vaccinated Americans are still getting infected and spreading the virus, Pfizer's own CEO is admitting people will likely need boosters because the mrna vaccines won't be effective much longer, so your fantasy is nothing more than your own delusion. We'll see what happens this fall, but getting over COVID19 is largely just getting over this crazy fear about it since large majority of people have at worst mild cases and we should have never shut things down like that to begin with. Sweden had the right idea all along, protect the very sick and vulnerable but don't put all these arrogant demands on the rest of the population at such low risk of it. Funny thing is there are a lot of pro-vaxxers on this forum but most of them at least get respect from others sticking to arguments and fact, ex. a lot of us may not agree with everything that suzy_q2010 writes in support of the vaccines but at least she tends to stick to factual arguments and not lambast the other side, let alone attacking fence sitters and people who are simply unsure. You on the other hand..
Your first paragraph is right on. And the thing is, he knows every bit of it, but tosses out the anti-vaxxer attack line, even though he knows it is not true. The fact is that leftists lie as easily as they take breath.
As far as your second paragraph, you are wrong about us never reaching herd immunity. "As the New York Times said" should have prompted you to take pause. They are wrong again and anyone here who purports to be any kind of an expert that supports and promotes this absurdity, is demonstrably no expert at all.
All of this talk about immunity vanishing after six months is just pure, manipulative, opportunistic bullcrap. Why does it vanish at six months, I wonder? Well, it just so happens that this is the proposed frequency of the booster shot regime - presumably for the rest of your life! Are you buying this? Really?
Sadly, the information that is being pushed around this by the media and many of the "experts" is not as trustworthy as one might expect it to be. We know how immunity works, at least those of us who have lived for a while and pay attention to these sorts of things do. Real immunity typically lasts for a very long time. However, this inoculation they are pushing apparently does not. That is because it is not instigating our immune systems to develop the entire array of immunity protection that contact with a pathogen like this normally does. It clearly does not appear to be a very robust or high quality "vaccine," if it is even a "vaccine" in any traditional sense at all.
In fact, a lot of people are 'naturally' immune to this virus. The coronavirus had been around in different strains for much longer than any of us have been alive. It will continue to develop new strains and will be around long after all of are dead and gone. The presentation of the coronavirus as something fundamentally new and unfamiliar to us is blatantly misleading and wrong by anyone who has been doing that, even inadvertently.
A very large percent of the population, which has been estimated at between 40%-60%, was apparently naturally immune before any of this started, probably from prior exposure to similar versions of the coronavirus that came and went in the years and decades that have already gone by. This should come as no surprise, considering how pervasive the coronavirus has been in our society for as long as we have all lived and longer.
People are also developing immunity currently the old fashioned way - just by getting the virus and then recovering from it. This virus is extremely virulent, although not really very dangerous for most people. It has almost certainly spread farther and made contact with a lot more people than is currently known. We are actually pretty far along towards that, and these sorts of irresponsible and wrong comments by the likes of the New York Times are just a further demonstration of how much the left has politicized this pandemic for the furtherance of their selfish and insidious political goals.
So we will reach herd immunity, even if they stop administering this "vaccine" altogether right now and never give anyone another shot. We will. Our species has navigated through viruses and other diseases for thousands of years without this sort of an inoculation and we have not been defeated yet. This will not be the first time, unless the "experts" bollucks it up so much that they end up doing more harm to humanity than the virus does, which sadly is not out of the realm of possibility.
Your first paragraph is right on. And the thing is, he knows every bit of it, but tosses out the anti-vaxxer attack line, even though he knows it is not true. The fact is that leftists lie as easily as they take breath.
As far as your second paragraph, you are wrong about us never reaching herd immunity. "As the New York Times said" should have prompted you to take pause. They are wrong again and anyone here who purports to be any kind of an expert that supports and promotes this absurdity, is demonstrably no expert at all.
All of this talk about immunity vanishing after six months is just pure, manipulative, opportunistic bullcrap. Why does it vanish at six months, I wonder? Well, it just so happens that this is the proposed frequency of the booster shot regime - presumably for the rest of your life! Are you buying this? Really?
Sadly, the information that is being pushed around this by the media and many of the "experts" is not as trustworthy as one might expect it to be. We know how immunity works, at least those of us who have lived for a while and pay attention to these sorts of things do. Real immunity typically lasts for a very long time. However, this inoculation they are pushing apparently does not. That is because it is not instigating our immune systems to develop the entire array of immunity protection that contact with a pathogen like this normally does. It clearly does not appear to be a very robust or high quality "vaccine," if it is even a "vaccine" in any traditional sense at all.
In fact, a lot of people are 'naturally' immune to this virus. The coronavirus had been around in different strains for much longer than any of us have been alive. It will continue to develop new strains and will be around long after all of are dead and gone. The presentation of the coronavirus as something fundamentally new and unfamiliar to us is blatantly misleading and wrong by anyone who has been doing that, even inadvertently.
A very large percent of the population, which has been estimated at between 40%-60%, was apparently naturally immune before any of this started, probably from prior exposure to similar versions of the coronavirus that came and went in the years and decades that have already gone by. This should come as no surprise, considering how pervasive the coronavirus has been in our society for as long as we have all lived and longer.
People are also developing immunity currently the old fashioned way - just by getting the virus and then recovering from it. This virus is extremely virulent, although not really very dangerous for most people. It has almost certainly spread farther and made contact with a lot more people than is currently known. We are actually pretty far along towards that, and these sorts of irresponsible and wrong comments by the likes of the New York Times are just a further demonstration of how much the left has politicized this pandemic for the furtherance of their selfish and insidious political goals.
So we will reach herd immunity, even if they stop administering this "vaccine" altogether right now and never give anyone another shot. We will. Our species has navigated through viruses and other diseases for thousands of years without this sort of an inoculation and we have not been defeated yet. This will not be the first time, unless the "experts" bollucks it up so much that they end up doing more harm to humanity than the virus does, which sadly is not out of the realm of possibility.
We've gone over the 40-60% before, and the stated theories are not the same as immunity. Having a T cell in a test tube that recognizes some protein on the surface of the Covid 19 virus does not guarantee any immunity.
We've gone over the 40-60% before, and the stated theories are not the same as immunity. Having a T cell in a test tube that recognizes some protein on the surface of the Covid 19 virus does not guarantee any immunity.
You have demonstrated your devotion to shilling for this so-called "vaccine" and your willingness to mislead people with blatantly misleading manipulative talking points and scare tactics. You have also shown a real fondness for trying to "muddy the waters" in order to confuse and discourage people from trying to evaluate these matters for themselves.
Anyone who puts their trust and confidence in you at this point is making a big mistake, in my opinion.
You have demonstrated your devotion to shilling for this so-called "vaccine" and your willingness to mislead people with blatantly misleading manipulative talking points and scare tactics. You have also shown a real fondness for trying to "muddy the waters" in order to confuse and discourage people from trying to evaluate these matters for themselves.
Anyone who puts their trust and confidence in you at this point is making a big mistake, in my opinion.
If you are still on the fence about the vaccine please consult with your own doctor. I am only here to inform and pitch the orthodox medical. Yes we docs 'manipulate', but always in the best interests of our patients and communities.
Some SE Asian populations seem to have natural immunity to the Covid 19 virus, but not typically here in the USA. Unless immigrants.
if you are still on the fence about the vaccine please consult with your own doctor. I am only here to inform and pitch the orthodox medical. Yes we docs 'manipulate', but always in the best interests of our patients and communities.
Some se asian populations seem to have natural immunity to the covid 19 virus, but not typically here in the usa. Unless immigrants.
An Arizona legislator, Rep. Alma Hernandez, who was inoculated two months ago and who also routinely wears a mask, practices social distancing and practices good hygiene, has contracted the coronavirus.
So all of that did not protect her. At the end of the day, it is up to her God given immunity system to protect her from this virus, come what may.
So much for the "experts".
Do you truly, truly not understand that none of the vaccines are 100% effective? How can you not know that?
Oh yeah that's brilliant we should send you to India to lecture about how all they need is oxygen and hospital beds. Even better send you to Israel to explain to them how silly they were to do all these vaccinations to get their country where it is now, they should have just invested in more hospital beds.
I think this entire thing is incredibly frustrating for antivaxxers, it's pretty much their worst nightmare.
They make all this effort stupidly campaigning against vaccines, then along comes a pandemic killing millions of people that is being ended through the use of vaccines. Vaccines that were developed quickly and have proven very effective and safe. There is nothing worse that could have happened to the dogmatic antivaxxer then to see this country turning the corner with so much optimism going into the summer regarding the pandemic because it is all correctly being attributed to a successful vaccine rollout. Vaccine hesitancy has been steadily and consistently waning since the covid vaccines were released as people see what it is doing to this country, and the anti-vaxxers are left a group that is smaller, viewed as even more ridiculous, and frankly less and less relevant.
They are left denying the efficacy of vaccines which makes them look more foolish every passing day, fear-mongering about 1 in a million side-effects, trying to downplay the impact of a virus that has killed 570k+ Americans, inventing conspiracies about overcounting covid sickness/deah that have every country in the world in on the secret.
This pandemic and vaccine campaign have been horrible events for the antivaxxers.
I would hope the success of these vaccines for covid would put a fork in the anti vaxx movement. But that would require critical thinking skills.
Your first paragraph is right on. And the thing is, he knows every bit of it, but tosses out the anti-vaxxer attack line, even though he knows it is not true. The fact is that leftists lie as easily as they take breath.
As far as your second paragraph, you are wrong about us never reaching herd immunity. "As the New York Times said" should have prompted you to take pause. They are wrong again and anyone here who purports to be any kind of an expert that supports and promotes this absurdity, is demonstrably no expert at all.
All of this talk about immunity vanishing after six months is just pure, manipulative, opportunistic bullcrap. Why does it vanish at six months, I wonder? Well, it just so happens that this is the proposed frequency of the booster shot regime - presumably for the rest of your life! Are you buying this? Really?
Sadly, the information that is being pushed around this by the media and many of the "experts" is not as trustworthy as one might expect it to be. We know how immunity works, at least those of us who have lived for a while and pay attention to these sorts of things do. Real immunity typically lasts for a very long time. However, this inoculation they are pushing apparently does not. That is because it is not instigating our immune systems to develop the entire array of immunity protection that contact with a pathogen like this normally does. It clearly does not appear to be a very robust or high quality "vaccine," if it is even a "vaccine" in any traditional sense at all.
In fact, a lot of people are 'naturally' immune to this virus. The coronavirus had been around in different strains for much longer than any of us have been alive. It will continue to develop new strains and will be around long after all of are dead and gone. The presentation of the coronavirus as something fundamentally new and unfamiliar to us is blatantly misleading and wrong by anyone who has been doing that, even inadvertently.
A very large percent of the population, which has been estimated at between 40%-60%, was apparently naturally immune before any of this started, probably from prior exposure to similar versions of the coronavirus that came and went in the years and decades that have already gone by. This should come as no surprise, considering how pervasive the coronavirus has been in our society for as long as we have all lived and longer.
People are also developing immunity currently the old fashioned way - just by getting the virus and then recovering from it. This virus is extremely virulent, although not really very dangerous for most people. It has almost certainly spread farther and made contact with a lot more people than is currently known. We are actually pretty far along towards that, and these sorts of irresponsible and wrong comments by the likes of the New York Times are just a further demonstration of how much the left has politicized this pandemic for the furtherance of their selfish and insidious political goals.
So we will reach herd immunity, even if they stop administering this "vaccine" altogether right now and never give anyone another shot. We will. Our species has navigated through viruses and other diseases for thousands of years without this sort of an inoculation and we have not been defeated yet. This will not be the first time, unless the "experts" bollucks it up so much that they end up doing more harm to humanity than the virus does, which sadly is not out of the realm of possibility.
As you have been told many times your 40-60% is inconsistent with the data and kindergarten math
As you have been told many times your 40-60% is inconsistent with the data and kindergarten math
I provide a link to a pretty good article about this. Anyone who wants to can read it and make their own determinations.
As for me, I make these sorts of evaluations based on 'What' I am going to believe, rather than 'Who' I am going to believe.
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