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Old 05-27-2021, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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So next time there is a pandemic, you quite strongly believe government, whether at the state or local level, should do nothing in response to it.
Correct.

But I’m not a Republican. I don’t play pretend that only Dems gave EOs.
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Old 05-27-2021, 05:03 PM
 
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I think masks made a big difference just from the fact that the flu season was practically non-existent this year. It's impossible to determine conclusively if they worked against covid because so many people wore masks inproperly with their nose not covered or neck gaiters which do nothing.

I read where the virtual absence of the seasonal flu (I, of course, got the flu shot as always), while we had horrifying numbers of Covid cases, proved that Covid 19 was much more contagious than the flu. Smaller Covid droplets, smaller number of Covid virus entering the system causing problems, etc.



As for the masks: of course, in 1918 people finally wised up to the fact that wearing a mask can decrease the spread of that Spanish (Kansas) flu. Not stop, of course, but decrease. As you said, if you wear the mask below the chin, it is not useful.
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Old 05-27-2021, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Austin
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The whole concept of cloth masks was stupid from the get-go. Covid virus diameter is 0.1 -> 0.3 micron. A cloth mask stops that like throwing the proverbial hotdog down the hallway. Even N95 was a dubious proposition but hey it was a helluva lot better than something that looked like a droopy panty sagging down beneath the Home Depot checker's nose. The really good stuff was the P100 respirator which is 99.98% effective at filtering that size of particle.

It was all collectivist dumbness. "Wear this cloth mask. It won't help you but if you sneeze you're less likely to infect others." Most people didn't realize they were being manipulated like that. They thought THEY were being protected but really they were serving as compliant elements in a plan designed for the good of the collective, not the individual. The collective would actually have been better served if everyone had taken an individualist approach and did everything they could to protect themselves ... like wearing a really good mask or not going out at all.
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Old 05-27-2021, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Link: https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spence...dates-n2589990

Well, this is surprising to nobody who has been paying attention for the past year, as long as they haven't been paying attention to the paid liars in the MSM and the Democrat Party.

As more and more ACTUAL science comes out along with the data we ALREADY know, those of us who knew all along that the COVID-19 response was purely political are being proven correct.

The overreaction was simply a means for the Democrats to change voting rules, mail out millions of ballots, and blame Trump for the pandemic. Unfortunately their plan succeeded at a cost of destroying millions of American lives. They got away with it.
This study says otherwise:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2776536

"When masks are worn and combined with other recommended mitigation measures, they protect not only the wearer but also the greater community."
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Old 05-27-2021, 07:11 PM
 
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Masks did absolutely nothing. The studies all said they did nothing, and Fauci and the CDC initially stated this. But then, all of a sudden, they changed their minds and wanted everyone to wear them.

I think they war gamed it out, and determined that forcing people to wear masks would anger everyone and give a Biden a better chance to win the election.

At this point, the only reason we aren’t back to normal is because a lot of people prefer to live the way we did during this fake pandemic.
So the whole world including countries like India are part of this fake pandemic? What exactly do they gain? I thought when Trump lost the election, the EC was certified or when Biden took office the pandemic was going to vanish in a couple days? Here we are almost 18 months after it started, 7 months after Trump lost the election and its still spreading here and elsewhere. Worldwide almost at record highs. Better here but not gone. Masks work. Endless studies saying so. But spread by family members, gatherings by friends and neighbors in homes, etc kept the virus spreading. But vaccines really work. Everyone needs to be a patriot and get vaccinated for America. Pretty simple.
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Old 05-27-2021, 07:33 PM
 
Location: King County, WA
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The whole concept of cloth masks was stupid from the get-go. Covid virus diameter is 0.1 -> 0.3 micron. A cloth mask stops that like throwing the proverbial hotdog down the hallway. Even N95 was a dubious proposition but hey it was a helluva lot better than something that looked like a droopy panty sagging down beneath the Home Depot checker's nose. The really good stuff was the P100 respirator which is 99.98% effective at filtering that size of particle.

It was all collectivist dumbness. "Wear this cloth mask. It won't help you but if you sneeze you're less likely to infect others." Most people didn't realize they were being manipulated like that. They thought THEY were being protected but really they were serving as compliant elements in a plan designed for the good of the collective, not the individual. The collective would actually have been better served if everyone had taken an individualist approach and did everything they could to protect themselves ... like wearing a really good mask or not going out at all.
I'm not sure you have a good grasp of the subject, but here's some light reading that may help dispel your fears:

COVID-19 masks FAQs: How can cloth stop a tiny virus? What’s the best fabric? Do they protect the wearer?

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When we breathe, talk, eat, cough, sneeze or sing, we emit particles across a range of sizes, both coarse and fine, and the virus is in those particles. Even though there are gaps between the threads in cloth, the threads are usually wider than the gaps.

Also, at this microscopic level, the thread has thickness, or depth, so the gap is more a tunnel than a window. Microfilaments from broken or irregular threads project into the gap. The particle is not like a mosquito, which can redirect itself to avoid obstacles. A particle with momentum will run into a fibre, even though the air stream is diverted around it, like a ball hitting a wall — this is called impaction.
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Old 05-27-2021, 07:43 PM
 
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I do give serger credit for continuing to post after being so thoroughly proven wrong over the past month.

Where is suzy_q though?
Lol, I give you credit for continuing to post BS. Oh, wait, I don't.
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Old 05-27-2021, 07:44 PM
 
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no evidence for this, just faith.
I'll wait for you to explain the positive test rate for the flu. It's going to be a rather long wait.
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Old 05-27-2021, 08:01 PM
 
Location: FL
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Originally Posted by RowingFiend View Post
Link: https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spence...dates-n2589990

Well, this is surprising to nobody who has been paying attention for the past year, as long as they haven't been paying attention to the paid liars in the MSM and the Democrat Party.

As more and more ACTUAL science comes out along with the data we ALREADY know, those of us who knew all along that the COVID-19 response was purely political are being proven correct.

The overreaction was simply a means for the Democrats to change voting rules, mail out millions of ballots, and blame Trump for the pandemic. Unfortunately their plan succeeded at a cost of destroying millions of American lives. They got away with it.
Lockdowns and face masks have been proven to slow the spread of COVID-19. The CDC and the WHO recommend the use of face masks, social distancing, frequently washing hands and other measures to reduce the spread.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-f...-idUSKCN2AT3JQ
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Old 05-27-2021, 08:08 PM
 
Location: West Palm Beach, FL
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Lockdowns and face masks have been proven to slow the spread of COVID-19. The CDC and the WHO recommend the use of face masks, social distancing, frequently washing hands and other measures to reduce the spread.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-f...-idUSKCN2AT3JQ
LOL! That nonsense has been debunked, just like all the other liberal lies from the past year.
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