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The Guardian article:
The vaccine is protective against hospitalization and death. However, it reduces your chances, not nullifies them. The risk of COVID19 caused death increases with age (logarithmically every 7 years above age 50.) If you have vaccinated 93%+ of the population over 65, you can expect that most deaths to COVID19 would be vaccinated. (I think there have been more than a few topics on this board about this data.)
Nope, not quite. If a vaccine works you would expect the unvaccinated to have a higher hospitalization and death rate regardless of age. The short due to the vaccine most of the people don't get COVID and those that do don't get nearly as sick.
Short of Jesus stepping down from the clouds, vaccine is your best hope.
Two facts.
Before vaccine, COVID killed over half a million people in the US alone.
“Breakthrough” infections in fully vaccinated people accounted for fewer than 1,200 of more than 107,000 COVID-19 hospitalizations. That’s about 1.1%.
Fully vaccinated people account for less than 1% of the people dying of COVID today.
There are a number of reasons some people are not getting the vaccine but the underlying theme seems to be they don’t believe the vaccines are worth the potential downsides.
From this I can only infer that death is not a downside.
Speaking of death.
Historically, EVERY disease of epidemic or pandemic magnitude simply sort of ended on its own. More casualties, less casualties, but it ALWAYS went that way.
So it will be with this one. And, others to come.
They are not a problem. Problem is fear of death. A person, that does not know, what happens with death, is naturally fearing it. Normal basic protective response. A person, that knows, what happens with death, has no fear of it.
That person, also, understands one simple fact. Very simple. Everyone dies. Another simple fact is - no one knows, when he will die. Another simple fact is - no one knows, what will cause his death. Far I know, all of those here: https://www.nhsinform.scot/illnesses...ditions/a-to-z
Where not canceled.
So, the TRUE problem is not COVID. Or, plague, Or, HIV or keep picking any name on the list above. The true problem is fear of death. That is the true enemy of humanity.
You can get all vaccines out there, all booster shots, put 10 masks on and lock yourself down in the sealed room, and die to anaphylactic shock from a tiny little spider bite. Certainly, you can walk into middle of leper colony and spend years there and leave it - and never get infected.
Just something to think about as, apparently, all esteemed posters here forgot about this and tens of thousands of other things that can kill them. Cars, they are driving daily, including.
You can lower your rate of fear of this particular disease, covid, exponentially if you get the vaccine. We don't live in the dark ages where we have to accept death from a preventable infection. Philosophical insights aren't as good as vaccines are in helping us eradicate certain diseases.
"If not vaccines, how do we end Covid? " The non-vaxed will end and : Then the intelligent will inherit the earth.
Lets us hope not too intelligent - it's quite possible the spread of the virus only exists because of so called "intelligent" people and their profit seeking owners.
Fixing that which isn't broken, isn't really that intelligent if the attempted fix then becomes the problem.
Nope, not quite. If a vaccine works you would expect the unvaccinated to have a higher hospitalization and death rate regardless of age. The short due to the vaccine most of the people don't get COVID and those that do don't get nearly as sick.
If you had a 50/50 split of vaccinated vs unvaccinated, sure...
Of the individuals that are at-risk (greater than 1% risk of death), 93% of them are vaccinated. It would be astounding if the 7% unvaccinated had the majority of the hospitalization and deaths, considering that the efficacy of the vaccine against hospitalization across the total vaccinated population is 94%.
Even if severe cases really are entirely among people with pre-existing conditions and the elderly, the virus still places too much of a strain on our healthcare system to simply let it go endemic. Since half the country won't accept a vaccine, what else do we do? Do we just stay locked down forever, as long as certain types of gatherings like churches aren't affected?
Good advice.
Once again, we do not have the fortitude to end COVID19. It would honestly require locking every individual in a box (house, apartment, cell) for four weeks with no external contacts. We would also need to do the same for every mammal capable of spreading it (ferrets, hamsters, and cats.)
The vaccine does not 100% prevent spread.
Prophylactic use of Ivermectin has not shown 100% effectiveness.
We have no pharmaceutical means to end COVID19. Only through mechanical (locking people in complete isolation) would we stand a chance. That means no garbage collection, no food distribution, no manufacturing, etc.
People wouldn't stand for it. The only ones that have a chance are islanders and space station personnel.
Maybe if you were in Tonga and kept the borders closed, you could maintain it. But as long as supplies and flights are coming in, there is a risk of spread. (Ask Australia about flight crews and spreading SARS COV2.)
Do whatever you want. Just don't tell other people what to do.
The problem with that is Covid unchecked will continue to strain all our health services to the breaking point.
People will still fall ill to other diseases and afflictions, be injured, suffer bad health after natural disasters, and all those folks will need medical care, equipment, and staff that Covid is now hogging.
We all watched what happened in New York last year when Covid struck with nothing to slow it down and nothing at all would stop it.
Thousands died from Covid, but many more died from other maladies left untreated once the hospitals were full.
How many? No one will ever know for sure. They died at home or on the job or in transit. Many had chronic conditions like diabetes that cause them a sudden crash, and no one could help them.
That's what the rest of the nation would have faced without a vaccine. Our entire medical system would have been forced into triage, deciding case by case who was to live and who would be left to die.
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