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Old 07-18-2021, 09:22 AM
 
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Like every other 'plague' that has run its course in the world. You get it and become immune ... or die. Either way the virus eventually runs out of hosts. The only other choice is you hide in your 'castle' until it goes away and hope it doesn't come back.


And just as a recap. A virus does not care what you believe when it comes to religion or politics. It does not care where you live or what kind of work you do. Right now, over 97% of the people getting COVID are not vaccinated. So, good luck.


Mortality (deaths) vary by country but at its peak, COVID deaths averaged about 8% with a high of about 15% in Spain pre-vaccine.


The current world population is about 8 billion. 15% of 8 billion is 1.2 billion. It may be cruel, but some days I think 1.2 billion fewer people in the world just might be a good thing. The USA share of that would be about 50 million. Again with no vaccine.
Noting good there. That would mean society and business stops longer term, most of us eventually sick with a large portion of our population requiring hospitalization. We could not handle those numbers and people would be left to die on their own all over the country. Then there are the long Covid and chronic medical problems produced that would weigh down our HC systems for decades.

We docs would not allow this!

 
Old 07-18-2021, 10:12 AM
 
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Noting good there. That would mean society and business stops longer term, most of us eventually sick with a large portion of our population requiring hospitalization. We could not handle those numbers and people would be left to die on their own all over the country. Then there are the long Covid and chronic medical problems produced that would weigh down our HC systems for decades.

We docs would not allow this!
You left out the long term chronic illness or medical problems caused by the vaccines....especially heart related issues. A friend recently developed AFIB after being vaccinated and had no prior underlying health issues.

The public will remain skeptical of the vaccines as long as the medical community remains silent and in denial about serious side affects while doctors who are speaking out and voicing their concerns are being labeled as quacks and shunned into silence. In time the real truth will be known.
 
Old 07-18-2021, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Niceville, FL
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LOL, the government is not put in place to protect people from each other.
So you're pro-eliminating all polic e departments? Seems like you have something in common with the BLM crowd then.

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How old were they? What other medical conditions did they have? Many at risk people die from flu every year, too. From what I've heard, it's the same group of people at risk. Elderly, obese, diabetics, heart disease, high blood pressure. You can't change your age but the other conditions are related to lifestyle. Choices have consequences.
Dying from covid is one thing; living with it is another. I'm female, in my 40s and living a healthy lifestyle. Influenza is a three day affair for me even as people tell me I can't have had the 'real' flu because
I never got that sick from it. I'm also prime demographic for long haul covid, and the many reports of 'it took me a month before I could even run a mile again and my fitness still isn't back to where it was pre-C' had me scrounging for a vaccine as soon as it could.

The demographic who says living with long haul covid is no big deal is also the same demographic whose idea of fun is plunking their fat butts on the couch and playing videos games while working their way through a bucket of KFC. Me, long haul covid would not be compatible with living the life I want to live.
 
Old 07-18-2021, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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The side effect is important because the Covid "No big deal" crowd only counts direct deaths.
Perhaps Covid itself is a side effect? - a direct effect of GoF research and humans trying to be a bit too clever.

If the virus does turn out to be from a lab, then a few hundred million deaths would be a small price to pay for awakening humanity to the stupidity of research where the potential for good, is always outweighed by the potential for harm.
 
Old 07-18-2021, 10:53 AM
 
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The demographic who says living with long haul covid is no big deal is also the same demographic whose idea of fun is plunking their fat butts on the couch and playing videos games while working their way through a bucket of KFC. Me, long haul covid would not be compatible with living the life I want to live.
I don't know why but it reminds me of this meme about fat and covid I saw on this French forum.
https://forum.liberaux.org/index.php...omment-1871692
 
Old 07-18-2021, 11:00 AM
 
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You left out the long term chronic illness or medical problems caused by the vaccines....especially heart related issues. A friend recently developed AFIB after being vaccinated and had no prior underlying health issues.

The public will remain skeptical of the vaccines as long as the medical community remains silent and in denial about serious side affects while doctors who are speaking out and voicing their concerns are being labeled as quacks and shunned into silence. In time the real truth will be known.
Those long term post-vaccine numbers are and will remain much much smaller than those due to the Covid disease.

Skeptical is good, but that has to be balanced with specific knowledge and experience. One has to be able see and then weigh the relative possibilities in real time and real life.
 
Old 07-18-2021, 11:02 AM
 
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Perhaps Covid itself is a side effect? - a direct effect of GoF research and humans trying to be a bit too clever.

If the virus does turn out to be from a lab, then a few hundred million deaths would be a small price to pay for awakening humanity to the stupidity of research where the potential for good, is always outweighed by the potential for harm.
And then what do you/we do?
For all of time there have been and will be organizations or states of one type or another secretly experimenting with pathogens for all sorts of reasons, good and bad.
 
Old 07-18-2021, 11:14 AM
 
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And then what do you/we do?
For all of time there have been and will be organizations or states of one type or another secretly experimenting with pathogens for all sorts of reasons, good and bad.
Shut it down - humanity has survived without it, but might not survive having it.
 
Old 07-18-2021, 11:15 AM
 
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Shut it down - humanity has survived without it, but might not survive having it.
Shut it own here, and then fall behind with the technology? I doubt that will happen.
 
Old 07-18-2021, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Shut it own here, and then fall behind with the technology? I doubt that will happen.
And then quite possibly civilisation will collapse from a true engineered super virus - ain't it great being so intelligent?

I don't care about the virus, or the vaccine - best to do nothing, and hopefully learn from the experience.
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