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Old 07-17-2021, 11:57 AM
 
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The abortion-vaccine analogy fails since the unvaccinated present ongoing risks to the general population.

Yes they do...so far so good with vaccines, but why are they talking about booster shots for the vaccinated at some point in the future? Because of increased risks from the unvaccinated spreading variants!

 
Old 07-17-2021, 12:06 PM
 
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Honestly, I don't understand why it's such a partisan issue and why conservatives aren't encouraging more of their own to get vaccinated. The conservatives are the most vaccine hesistant because they are hearing misinformation from shows like FOX, OAN and Newsmax. Do they really want to to lose more of their own and ergo have less Republican voters in the next election?

Except that African Americans are even more hesitant then conservatives.


BTW, look at what you wrote:

The conservatives are the most vaccine hesistant because they are hearing misinformation from shows like FOX, OAN and Newsmax.



So, you believe everything besides what the CDC, Fauci and the Biden administration is "misinformation". Well, if so then there is nothing to discuss. You do realize that there is metric tons of information that is verifiable from real doctors and scientists that conflict with what they say. In fact, their own statements conflict with what they said Yesterday so...


When else in history were we so quick to believe 100% of what the government says. They have an agenda and a "allowable death toll" from these vaccines. They are "big picture" and "The end justifies the means" organizations. Don't you want to know about all that?
 
Old 07-17-2021, 12:06 PM
 
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Yes they do...so far so good with vaccines, but why are they talking about booster shots for the vaccinated at some point in the future? Because of increased risks from the unvaccinated spreading variants!
The vaccinated present ongoing risks to the general population too. Vaccinated people are still getting infected and infecting other people. They are still capable of creating mutations.

The Delta variant is changing things. The data out of Israel is showing that there is an equal chance of infection for vaccinated and unvaccinated. What they are seeing is the percentage of those who were vaccinated and infected equals the number of people who were vaccinated in the total population. So there is no benefit against infection, just hospitalization.

https://twitter.com/cov19treatments/...65494733721605

If the Pfizer vaccine was providing protection from infection, the percentage of vaccinated new cases should be lower than the percentage of the vaccinated population.
 
Old 07-17-2021, 12:15 PM
 
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The vaccinated present ongoing risks to the general population too. Vaccinated people are still getting infected and infecting other people. They are still capable of creating mutations.

The Delta variant is changing things. The data out of Israel is showing that there is an equal chance of infection for vaccinated and unvaccinated. What they are seeing is the percentage of those who were vaccinated and infected equals the number of people who were vaccinated in the total population. So there is no benefit against infection, just hospitalization.

https://twitter.com/cov19treatments/...65494733721605

If the Pfizer vaccine was providing protection from infection, the percentage of vaccinated new cases should be lower than the percentage of the vaccinated population.

From the experts...Unlikely fully vaccinated are spreading covid due to much lower viral load


https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...ading-covid-19


Over 99% of all US covid hospitalizations/deaths due to the unvaccinated


https://healthfeedback.org/claimrevi...vailable-data/
 
Old 07-17-2021, 12:26 PM
 
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I'm starting to wonder if the doc who proclaimed that mass vaccination in the middle of a pandemic would cause catastrophic results such that the virus would mutate to become more lethal, and vaccines less effective.

People who are vaccinated are helping to spread Delta.
Also:
Moreover, the data indicates that the current vaccines used (Moderna, Pfizer-BioNTech, AstraZeneca) may have a decreasing effect on reduced hospitalizations and death if one does get infected with the Delta variant.

A leading US disease expert says there's 'no doubt in my mind' that vaccinated people are helping spread Delta

https://www.businessinsider.com/covi...nt-2021-7?op=1

TrialSite delved into a recent data trove made available by the Israeli government and has found that a majority of those now vaccinated actually, according to the numbers, face as much risk testing positive for the Delta-driven SARS-CoV-2 infection as unvaccinated individuals. Meaning, at this point, the vaccine appears to have a negligible effect on an individual as to whether he/she catches the current strain. Moreover, the data indicates that the current vaccines used (Moderna, Pfizer-BioNTech, AstraZeneca) may have a decreasing effect on reduced hospitalizations and death if one does get infected with the Delta variant.

https://trialsitenews.com/covid-19-c...oubling-trend/
 
Old 07-17-2021, 12:30 PM
 
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I'm starting to wonder if the doc who proclaimed that mass vaccination in the middle of a pandemic would cause catastrophic results such that the virus would mutate to become more lethal, and vaccines less effective.

People who are vaccinated are helping to spread Delta.
Also:
Moreover, the data indicates that the current vaccines used (Moderna, Pfizer-BioNTech, AstraZeneca) may have a decreasing effect on reduced hospitalizations and death if one does get infected with the Delta variant.

A leading US disease expert says there's 'no doubt in my mind' that vaccinated people are helping spread Delta

https://www.businessinsider.com/covi...nt-2021-7?op=1

TrialSite delved into a recent data trove made available by the Israeli government and has found that a majority of those now vaccinated actually, according to the numbers, face as much risk testing positive for the Delta-driven SARS-CoV-2 infection as unvaccinated individuals. Meaning, at this point, the vaccine appears to have a negligible effect on an individual as to whether he/she catches the current strain. Moreover, the data indicates that the current vaccines used (Moderna, Pfizer-BioNTech, AstraZeneca) may have a decreasing effect on reduced hospitalizations and death if one does get infected with the Delta variant.


https://trialsitenews.com/covid-19-c...oubling-trend/

Booster shots will be necessary for the vaccinated at some point thanks to the unvaccinated spreading ever more dangerous variants increasing risk for all...not at that point yet.


Meanwhile...over 99% of all US Covid hospitalizations/deaths due to the unvaccinated


https://healthfeedback.org/claimrevi...vailable-data/
 
Old 07-17-2021, 12:33 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Fisherman99 View Post
Booster shots will be necessary for the vaccinated at some point thanks to the unvaccinated spreading ever more dangerous variants increasing risk for all...not at that point yet.


Meanwhile...over 99% of all US Covid hospitalizations/deaths due to the unvaccinated


https://healthfeedback.org/claimrevi...vailable-data/

Over 99%, for now.
Vaccinated people are spreading Delta.
Vaccines are losing effectiveness against Delta.
Read the above links I posted.
 
Old 07-17-2021, 12:33 PM
 
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Yes they do...so far so good with vaccines, but why are they talking about booster shots for the vaccinated at some point in the future? Because of increased risks from the unvaccinated spreading variants!
And possibly waning immunity from the current vaccines.
 
Old 07-17-2021, 12:35 PM
 
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What has happened to us. Have we become this self absorbed that we care about no one other than ourselves. Yes, it's your choice whether to get the vaccine or not but why don't you care about the kids who are vulnerable. We have become a very heartless country. I guess my heartless response would be.....if you don't get the vaccine and get covid then don't go to a hospital for help.
Kids are not vulnerable to covid. Older adults are and particularly those with conditions such as diabetes and or obesity. Asking kids to get vaccinated to protect adults seems wrong.

Kids have a 99.995% survival rate from covid. Please stop using kids as a pawn in this. They did their part to protect adults. Leave them be.
 
Old 07-17-2021, 12:37 PM
 
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I guess you are one of the ones who are misinformed. You can still get covid with the vaccine but the majority are either asymptotic or have very light symptoms.
It shows that they can still spread it though which debunks the theory that we can create herd immunity with the vaccine and stop variants. The vaccine appears to benefit the user which means people can decide to get it for themselves but under no illusions that they are protecting others by getting it.
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