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Old 08-26-2021, 09:18 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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I dislike Biden, I did not vote for him. He has proven my judgment wrong.

I know passions are heated, but I ask you take a step back. In Afghanistan (for twenty years) under US occupation allied warlords were given young boys to rape and woman lived under customary arranged marriages.

The current members of the female population that will be inconvenienced is a tiny sliver of middle class women completely unrepresentative of the general female population.

Biden is the first president to stand resolutely against the war, and he has been punished by the media. The media never questioned the dozens of troops dying in Afghanistan due to the occupation, nor did they show the suffering of women and children under our allied war lords.

The disintegration of the Afghan state is a sign of the twenty year failure, the promoters of the war should be humiliated, instead they are emboldened.

The 'humanitarian' groups that utterly failed and the corporate interests dedicated to war are pouncing on this issue for more power, and neoconservatives are lurching back into the republican party.

But what did Biden do wrong? End the suffering and the betrayal of the American people? We were losing ground before the withdrawal, the Taliban were gaining power anyways. What could he have done different? The US Embassy advised all US people to leave the country beforehand, they ignored the advisory. They did not leave on their own accord.

If Biden had enforced an evacuation he would be blamed for the fall of Kabul. It would be said he demoralized the Afghan army. And now our NATO allies as well are pinning the blame on Biden because they have piggybacked on US imperialism for too long. They could have kept a troop presence, but they didn't, they wanted American tax payers to fit the bill.

Thousands of people have been evacuated compared to zero in Saigon. Do not fall for the lies of the Europeans, Non-profits, and corporate media. This failure is on them, Biden is the first president to stand unfaltering against the grift.

Do not attack him for this. For the border or anything else, fine, but not this. Do not be used by these globalist interlopers.
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Old 08-26-2021, 09:26 PM
 
Location: The Tar heel State
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I don't know where to start....... IT'S NOT THE WITHDRAWAL, IT'S THE WAY IT WAS HANDLED..... There... I said it...... For the hundredth time now..... Okay..... Rant over..... Blood pressure going down as we speak......

Seriously?
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Old 08-26-2021, 09:30 PM
 
Location: San Diego, Ca/ SLO county Ca
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Your last point is something I have always been curious about. I really am curious what goes on behind the scenes that makes us back off of Pakistan. At one point Trump was extremely critical of Pakistan for a while but it seemed like he backed off a little, but he was atleast aware pakistan was one of the major issues we were having in Afghanistan. We give them billions in aid.... it is ridiculous.

Whenever the Taliban were getting beat down they would retreat into Pakistan and regroup. Trump threated to follow them there but never did. Maybe Reagan would have?

Looking back at it part of it was Trump was heavily involved in dealing with Pakistan to resolve Afghanistan conflict. Biden Never bothered to deal with Pakistan, which shows how inept this entire withdraw process was under his watch.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order...akistan-reset/

Good article for those who wish to know more. Seriously read that and see how Trump was handling Afghanistan and compare it to biden who did not even talk to them, what a failure by this administration.
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Old 08-26-2021, 09:31 PM
 
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I dislike Biden, I did not vote for him. He has proven my judgment wrong.

I know passions are heated, but I ask you take a step back. In Afghanistan (for twenty years) under US occupation allied warlords were given young boys to rape and woman lived under customary arranged marriages.

The current members of the female population that will be inconvenienced is a tiny sliver of middle class women completely unrepresentative of the general female population.

Biden is the first president to stand resolutely against the war, and he has been punished by the media. The media never questioned the dozens of troops dying in Afghanistan due to the occupation, nor did they show the suffering of women and children under our allied war lords.

The disintegration of the Afghan state is a sign of the twenty year failure, the promoters of the war should be humiliated, instead they are emboldened.

The 'humanitarian' groups that utterly failed and the corporate interests dedicated to war are pouncing on this issue for more power, and neoconservatives are lurching back into the republican party.

But what did Biden do wrong? End the suffering and the betrayal of the American people? We were losing ground before the withdrawal, the Taliban were gaining power anyways. What could he have done different? The US Embassy advised all US people to leave the country beforehand, they ignored the advisory. They did not leave on their own accord.

If Biden had enforced an evacuation he would be blamed for the fall of Kabul. It would be said he demoralized the Afghan army. And now our NATO allies as well are pinning the blame on Biden because they have piggybacked on US imperialism for too long. They could have kept a troop presence, but they didn't, they wanted American tax payers to fit the bill.

Thousands of people have been evacuated compared to zero in Saigon. Do not fall for the lies of the Europeans, Non-profits, and corporate media. This failure is on them, Biden is the first president to stand unfaltering against the grift.

Do not attack him for this. For the border or anything else, fine, but not this. Do not be used by these globalist interlopers.
You are absolutely clueless if this is your true assessment of the situation.
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Old 08-26-2021, 09:33 PM
 
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Retreating armies always destroy or at least disable all weapons left behind. But in Biden's retreat we left behind 200 aircraft, 70,000 vehicles and 600,000 weapons. What an idiot.
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Old 08-26-2021, 09:33 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Winterfall8324 View Post
I dislike Biden, I did not vote for him. He has proven my judgment wrong.

I know passions are heated, but I ask you take a step back. In Afghanistan (for twenty years) under US occupation allied warlords were given young boys to rape and woman lived under customary arranged marriages.

The current members of the female population that will be inconvenienced is a tiny sliver of middle class women completely unrepresentative of the general female population.

Biden is the first president to stand resolutely against the war, and he has been punished by the media. The media never questioned the dozens of troops dying in Afghanistan due to the occupation, nor did they show the suffering of women and children under our allied war lords.

The disintegration of the Afghan state is a sign of the twenty year failure, the promoters of the war should be humiliated, instead they are emboldened.

The 'humanitarian' groups that utterly failed and the corporate interests dedicated to war are pouncing on this issue for more power, and neoconservatives are lurching back into the republican party.

But what did Biden do wrong? End the suffering and the betrayal of the American people? We were losing ground before the withdrawal, the Taliban were gaining power anyways. What could he have done different? The US Embassy advised all US people to leave the country beforehand, they ignored the advisory. They did not leave on their own accord.

If Biden had enforced an evacuation he would be blamed for the fall of Kabul. It would be said he demoralized the Afghan army. And now our NATO allies as well are pinning the blame on Biden because they have piggybacked on US imperialism for too long. They could have kept a troop presence, but they didn't, they wanted American tax payers to fit the bill.

Thousands of people have been evacuated compared to zero in Saigon. Do not fall for the lies of the Europeans, Non-profits, and corporate media. This failure is on them, Biden is the first president to stand unfaltering against the grift.

Do not attack him for this. For the border or anything else, fine, but not this. Do not be used by these globalist interlopers.

Care to say that directly to the new Gold Star family members?


This is ALL on Biden. He's voted for it and is a damn idiot.
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Old 08-26-2021, 09:33 PM
 
Location: West Palm Beach, FL
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Any idiot can see allowing the enemy to surround your airport, after allowing them to take possession of many weapons, while attempting to evacuate civilians, is a big mistake. Our troops and those at the airport are sitting ducks if the enemy all around them want to attack. I worry about some of those weapons being turned on the troop transport planes when they fully pull out.
Yet there is no shortage of people willing to defend this traitorous imbecile.
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Old 08-26-2021, 09:34 PM
 
Location: King County, WA
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I'll give him a C+ grade. I agree with the withdrawal in principle, but it needed more attention to detail.
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Old 08-26-2021, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Gods country
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I don't know where to start....... IT'S NOT THE WITHDRAWAL, IT'S THE WAY IT WAS HANDLED..... There... I said it...... For the hundredth time now..... Okay..... Rant over..... Blood pressure going down as we speak......

Seriously?
This^^^
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Old 08-26-2021, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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I don't know where to start....... IT'S NOT THE WITHDRAWAL, IT'S THE WAY IT WAS HANDLED..... There... I said it...... For the hundredth time now..... Okay..... Rant over..... Blood pressure going down as we speak......

Seriously?
That is not where the argument is going. The media, the Europeans, and the non-profits are saying we betrayed the Afghan people.

If we did it was because of the initial war. The US already had warned citizens to leave, they chose to ignore the warning. There is nothing else we could have done besides force an evacuation previous to the withdrawal of troops which would have caused the 'experts' to blame the evacuation for the fall of Kabul.
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