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Old 09-19-2021, 07:31 PM
 
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Maybe in some places might have a variant of English language influenced by Spanish like in Quebec, Canada where Quebec English is heavily influenced by English and French.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_English

 
Old 09-19-2021, 07:32 PM
 
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He's not blaming Spanish speakers ENTIRELY. Lots of the worsening of the educational system coincides with the liberals who run it. But in addition to that, having kids in American schools who don't speak English obviously lowers the caliber of the school.
The best public schools in the US are in largely diverse towns with large ESL programs. The difference isn't the language... it's the fact that these schools have a large number of documented immigrants that particularly excel in math, sciences and arts. Particularly from Asian and Eastern European.
 
Old 09-19-2021, 07:33 PM
 
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Since Spanish was there long before English...it would just be coming full circle, as another poster said.
Disagree. Coming full circle would be Native American languages.
 
Old 09-19-2021, 07:33 PM
 
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It might not be happening at this rate if Americans didn't make a point of learning enough Spanish to converse with them, and if companies didn't make a point of having Spanish versions of their products/advertising.
True. We are enabling immigrants by speaking to them in their old language. If we didn't do that, they would be required to learn English in order to function in their adopted country.

I mean, really. They CHOSE to come here, with the assumption that they want to become Americans. Why then do they refuse to learn the common language of our country?
 
Old 09-19-2021, 07:33 PM
 
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It might not be happening at this rate if Americans didn't make a point of learning enough Spanish to converse with them, and if companies didn't make a point of having Spanish versions of their products/advertising.
The same could have been said if we didn't print military pamphlets in English in addition to German, Spanish, Dutch and a handful of other languages during the revolutionary war.
 
Old 09-19-2021, 07:36 PM
 
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The best public schools in the US are in largely diverse towns with large ESL programs. The difference isn't the language... it's the fact that these schools have a large number of documented immigrants that particularly excel in math, sciences and arts. Particularly from Asian and Eastern European.
The majority of these particular immigrants greatly value education.
 
Old 09-19-2021, 07:36 PM
 
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The problem isn't the percentage who can speak Spanish. The problem is the percentage who can speak Spanish ONLY.
What problem? Everyone keeps referring to this dumbing down of America, but it appears to be based on a political bias as opposed to anything quantifiable.


https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=38
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NAEP math scores improved substantially from 1996 to 2017. These increases amount to 0.52 SD in fourth grade and 0.35 SD in eighth grade. For context, an increase of one-half of a standard deviation roughly equates to a jump from the 50th to the 69th percentile in a normal distribution of scores, while an increase of one-quarter of a standard deviation equates to a jump from the 50th to the 60th percentile
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Figure 2 shows reading trends from 1998 through 2017. Overall, gains in fourth- and eighth-grade reading scores were more modest than the gains in math scores.[5] From 1998 to 2017, scores improved by 0.18 SD in fourth grade and 0.11 SD in eighth grade.
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White-Hispanic gaps have narrowed since the late 1990s. The math gap dropped from 0.79 SD in 1996 to 0.61 SD in 2017, while the reading gap dropped from 0.77 SD in 1998 to 0.55 SD in 2017.
Maybe you've got an imaginary boogeyman?
 
Old 09-19-2021, 07:37 PM
 
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The problem isn't the percentage who can speak Spanish. The problem is the percentage who can speak Spanish ONLY.
This.
 
Old 09-19-2021, 07:40 PM
 
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Your profession is an embarrassment to honorable people, been that way for thousands of years. And if you don’t think I work hard, unlike you I’m in the construction profession, with an engineering degree and worked manual labor. Perhaps you should get off your new con ass and do some actual work, because you’re an embarrassment to working professionals.
Have you even read Texas's posts here? His background is engineering where he made his money in tech and retired to become a constitutional research lawyer. He has a PhD in science and engineering, I'm not sure. You seem to have a problem with the Constitution and the lawyers that do the research to understand it... probably because you are not capable of understand it and feel inferior.

It says a lot about you when you have to personally attack someone's career...
 
Old 09-19-2021, 07:42 PM
 
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What problem? Everyone keeps referring to this dumbing down of America, but it appears to be based on a political bias as opposed to anything quantifiable.
What part of the United States do you live in where non-white Hispanic children have the same average test scores as white children?
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