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Old 12-15-2021, 09:05 PM
 
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And mostly young. It is too early to extrapolate and conclude how it will behave in the unvaccinated, less healthy and older population. We will know soon. Maybe it will be good news. The only thing I have seen is some comments from a doctor in RSA who said most of the hospitalized there were unvaccinated and had not had previous infection.
If you were to throw a dart at random, you'd hit more unvaccinated and not previously infected South Africans as they're the majority.
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Old 12-15-2021, 09:10 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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An interesting twitter post from Scott Gottlieb, one of my favorites sources. I don't understand where his suspicions arise in the data, but it is not the first time he has said this. I wish he would explain it.

https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/...67117681061890
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Old 12-15-2021, 09:14 PM
 
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An interesting twitter post from Scott Gottlieb, one of my favorites sources. I don't understand where his suspicions arise in the data, but it is not the first time he has said this. I wish he would explain it.

https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/...7Ctwgr%5Etweet
I don't get why he's saying it either. Every wave ended before it infected the entire population. Omicron is not the first.
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Old 12-15-2021, 09:16 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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If you were to throw a dart at random, you'd hit more unvaccinated and not previously infected South Africans as they're the majority.
There seroprevalence is about 85% from what I have read. UK same. US even higher.
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Old 12-15-2021, 09:20 PM
 
Location: Hoosierville
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Why would they have antibodies or t-cells for a disease they were never exposed to. Even if you consider the innate immune system poster above pointed out (correctly) you have to take into account that viruses adapt too. Very well. Omicron is an adaptation that gets around the immune system better than delta. Way better if you want to take the reports at face value. So when going into battle with the monster is it better to have a shield (neutralizing antibodies) and a sword (t-cells) or go naked?

They have been several studies - I've posted the links in the covid threads several times - that show t cell reactivity to SARS-CoV-2 via blood samples drawn pre-pandemic.
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Old 12-15-2021, 09:33 PM
 
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There seroprevalence is about 85% from what I have read. UK same. US even higher.
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Most (83% [n = 553]) participants who lived in the rural community and most (83% [n = 499]) who lived in the urban community had both BD3 and BD5 blood collected (Appendix). Seroprevalence, adjusted for assay sensitivity and specificity, in the rural community was lower at BD1 than in the urban community (1% [95% CrI 0%–2%] vs. 15% [95% CrI 12%–18%]; p<0.001), increasing after the first wave of infections (at BD3) to 7% (95% CrI 5%–9%) in the rural community and 27% (95% CrI 23%–31%) in the urban community (p<0.001) (Figure 2; Appendix). After the second wave (BD5), seroprevalence increased to 26% (95% CrI 22%–29%; p<0.001) in the rural community and to 41% (95% CrI 37%–45%; p<0.001) in the urban community (Appendix).
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/12/21-1465_article

I'm guessing this is what you read since you love the CDC.

BD stands for Blood Draw. BD3 = Blood Draw 3. They're labeling the draws based on the wave.

As you see, the highest it got was 41%.
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Old 12-15-2021, 10:19 PM
 
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So glad we aren't seeing the hospitalization impact that we did last year.
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Old 12-16-2021, 03:52 AM
 
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I don't get why he's saying it either. Every wave ended before it infected the entire population. Omicron is not the first.
Here is one alternative explanation for it:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33833080/
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Old 12-16-2021, 04:15 AM
 
Location: Sandusky, Ohio
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Oh those wacky vaccines! I'm sure they'll get it NEXT variant! "BOINK!"
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Old 12-16-2021, 04:21 AM
 
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Don't need to worry. I'm boosted. It is the unvaxxed fatties and alkies and smokers and boomers that the omicron will be taking home to Jesus. In Fauci We Trust!
Maybe you better do more research.

https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/om...ers-the-vaxxed

Please note that of the recent cases in this study - only 177 (13%) were unvaccinated while 1103 (87%) were vaccinated and many boosted.
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