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I have a follow up question to this. If Russia is having more trouble than anyone expected , its clear that Europe could easily defend itself with its top notch Western military. So why do we need NATO?
Think we are going to fit these facts together.? The Russian military is over estimated therefore NATO is redundant. Wouldn't an honest media question this.
If Ukraine defeats Russia we need this massive NATO alliance.
I have a follow up question to this. If Russia is having more trouble than anyone expected , its clear that Europe could easily defend itself with its top notch Western military. So why do we need NATO?
Think we are going to fit these facts together.? The Russian military is over estimated therefore NATO is redundant. Wouldn't an honest media question this.
If Ukraine defeats Russia we need this massive NATO alliance.
We will not see any of that and we know it.
So a potential aggressor won't think they can just pick off a weaker nation and the other nations without alliances and treaties in place will find an excuse to do nothing and conclude the predator takes prey as Mother Nature intended.
So a potential aggressor won't think they can just pick off a weaker nation and the other nations without alliances and treaties in place will find an excuse to do nothing and conclude the predator takes prey as Mother Nature intended.
Well great, Europe can form that alliance. However we know NATO is a solution looking for a problem.
Well great, Europe can form that alliance. However we know NATO is a solution looking for a problem.
Interesting take when the need for the alliance was just proven by a hostile nation trying to take a nation because there was no alliances and treaties, just the word that we will help if you give up the old Soviet nukes.
Well great, Europe can form that alliance. However we know NATO is a solution looking for a problem.
The Europeans couldn't form a sitting circle without the aid of a Kindergarten teacher.
The US is the backbone that holds that bunch together and gives it initiative.
UK is also a solid member.
The rest well, I tell you what, they can't even make the EU work with simple budgetary guidelines. An actual hot war breaks out and OMG you have any faith whatsoever in those cats herding in the same direction?
P.S. Also I think people are forgetting that it's NATO weapons like the Javelin that are turning this from a Russian roll-over into a bleeding stalemate. The ability to counter enemy armor from over 2km away with a weapon that is almost a certain kill compared to trying to get within 100 yards and firing an RPG horizontally against reactive armoring is literally like upgrading from a sling shot to a modern rifle.
Anyone want to argue this is going well for Putin and his cabal?
For some reason I can't get the link to copy.....I'll try to edit it in paywall and all.
Estimates are for 10,000 KIA. Wounded is usually 3X KIA, so that would equal 40,000.
An attacking force is essentially no longer viable after losing 20% casualties. Putin's initial force was 120,000 with only 60,000 being combat troops.
So, in the absence of large infusions of reinforcements, his force would have been effectively neutralized. Looks like Ukraine will be a "meat grinder", as has been the case for ground warfare in Ukraine for quite some time.
Putin's best option would be to negotiate for Crimea and the two breakaway provinces, withdrawal from the rest of Ukraine, and joint ownership of the oil and gas reserves from Crimea and the two breakaway provinces. They could jointly develop those resources and build a pipeline to Europe, in which both control gas and oil to Europe. That would be win-win and allow Putin to maintain face while stopping the conflict.
Let's hope the US has learned lessons from this:
1. tanks and helicopters are expensive targets and are somewhat obsolete
2. Drones are more cost effective than manned air power
3. surface ships are large targets and consideration of smaller, unmanned underwater drones is the future of naval warfare.
I don't trust our Fake News or Fake CIA so really not sure if this is anywhere close to accurate. If true (unlikely), then it is proof of the weakness of the Russian military (which I already knew).
This indicates that if we got into a conventional war with Russia NATO would mop the floor with its army. It would escalate to nuclear in a matter of no time.
I have a follow up question to this. If Russia is having more trouble than anyone expected , its clear that Europe could easily defend itself with its top notch Western military. So why do we need NATO?
Think we are going to fit these facts together.? The Russian military is over estimated therefore NATO is redundant. Wouldn't an honest media question this.
If Ukraine defeats Russia we need this massive NATO alliance.
We will not see any of that and we know it.
Russia being basically the largest military and nuclear arsenal always implied they be over estimated.
But in reality even during the Cold War they wound up sending in occupation forces-yes brutal regimes were installed but they weren't massive military campaigns. Most the territory Russia got after WWII was lacking in military strength. Yes they had technology, numbers etc and all they had to do was roll in the tanks and armored vehicles to intimidate people who saw what happened in 2 World Wars. Even when they invaded Afghanistan at the peak of their power they could never fully defeat the enemy.
The US and many NATO countries right or wrong participated in Vietnam, 2 Gulf Wars along with Afghanistan. They were big and prolonged campaigns. It's not so much about political outcomes but the military experience. Also keep in mind the old Soviet Union collapsed pretty quick at the end of the first cold war and that should say something there.
Throw in a better supplied, educated and informed country like the Ukraine Russia can no longer just roll in the tanks to intimidate they must fight for everything.
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I have a follow up question to this. If Russia is having more trouble than anyone expected , its clear that Europe could easily defend itself with its top notch Western military. So why do we need NATO?
Think we are going to fit these facts together.? The Russian military is over estimated therefore NATO is redundant. Wouldn't an honest media question this.
If Ukraine defeats Russia we need this massive NATO alliance.
We will not see any of that and we know it.
US bases in Europe to hep support US defence, national security, ballistic missile early warning and missile defence, as well as intelligence,communications, joint cyber abilities. Whilst US bases also support US overseas operations in an area that ranges from the North Atlantic and Arctic region right down to the Mediterranean and North Africa, through to the Middle East and parts of Asia. They also allow a lot of invaluable training with allies.
As for leaving these bases or leaving NATO there is nothing stopping the US.
Per headline, then I guess Ukraine is doing fine without anyone's help.
From those stats, Russia's invasion is Pearl Harbor 2022 and they woke the sleeping giant in Kyiv.
Now I really know it isn't our fight or NATO's, what with Ukraine kicking so much Russkie arse.
Good for them. All glory to Ukraine.
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