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Old 04-14-2022, 12:31 PM
 
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
Correct. 95% of unintended pregnancies AREN'T accidents. They're the result of voluntary participation in unprotected sex.
And 51% of all pregnancies are unplanned.
We all realize human fallacy. This have been going on since time began.
What I dont know is were the other 5% of unplanned pregnancies intentional?

 
Old 04-14-2022, 12:35 PM
 
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I never read it/saw it, was the handmaid's tale about murdering babies? Is murdering babies supposed to be a good thing or a bad thing?
Read the book. It will make you think about a lot of things.

No, the story is not about murdering babies. It is about society controlling women.
 
Old 04-14-2022, 12:41 PM
 
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Abortion kills another human life. No ifs, ands, or buts.
You can't make people not drive drunk or not text while driving, either. However, people who kill others while doing those things actually have to live with the consequences of their actions, and an additional charge for the death of an additional life is prosecuted if a pregnant woman is among the victims. Why not require the same of those who voluntarily participate in unprotected sex and then kill?
Because abortion is not legally considered murder nor is miscarriage considered involuntary manslaughter.
A fetus is not a legal person. If it were it would have to have all the protections, requirements and benefits as everyone else including a legal name, social security number, burial, eligibility for life/medical insurance coverage, counted in household size for determining tax deductions and poverty level government/legal benefits, like food stamps and child support.
If you wish to change that then perhaps lobby your representatives.
 
Old 04-14-2022, 12:51 PM
 
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And 51% of all pregnancies are unplanned.
Of that 51%, 95% are the result of voluntary participation in unprotected sex. HOW do people NOT understand that an extremely high percentage of unintended pregnancies are VOLUNTARILY SELF-INFLICTED outcomes? And then they want to kill a human life on top of that because what they CHOSE for themselves isn't convenient? That's beyond depraved.

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What I dont know is were the other 5% of unplanned pregnancies intentional?
The other 5% consists of a combination of the failure of correctly used contraception methods and rape (which of course is not voluntary participation).

If we could get the unintended pregnancy due to voluntary unprotected sex rate down to even 50% of unintended pregnancies, that would reduce the total number of unintended pregnancies by 90% (5%+5%=10% of the previous total).
 
Old 04-14-2022, 12:57 PM
 
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A fetus is not a legal person.
Going to have to disagree. Fetal homicide laws contradict that. Homicide is the act of a person killing another person.
 
Old 04-14-2022, 01:00 PM
 
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Read the book. It will make you think about a lot of things.

No, the story is not about murdering babies. It is about society controlling women.
Using this book is a faulty analogy. In the book, women are forced to breed against their will. In current reality, 95% of unintended pregnancies are the result of women voluntarily participating in unprotected sex thereby choosing the outcome of pregnancy for themselves.
 
Old 04-14-2022, 01:05 PM
 
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Using this book is a faulty analogy. In the book, women are forced to breed against their will. In current reality, 95% of unintended pregnancies are the result of women voluntarily participating in unprotected sex thereby choosing the outcome of pregnancy for themselves.
That poster asked about the book. I told him/her without giving away the plot.

Your point about the book being about forced breeding is also true. Denying abortions to pregnant women in real life is also forcing them to breed. It is a direct analogy to the book.
 
Old 04-14-2022, 01:08 PM
 
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I figure all this will balance out. Cut abortions now, see foster care needs increase by the same amount. We know the history, abortion was illegal and we had orphanages all over the place to compensate.

I just assume as abortions are reduced we will see an increase in the foster care system load and our taxes, it's an overloaded system in most states already so they will be coming for more tax revenue. What I have not seen in either case is a reduction in pregnancies or a change in sexual behavior among Americans.

I think some in the ban abortion camp believe a behavior change would come from this but to be honest, Americans rarely change habits quickly. It's usually long, drawn-out, and sometimes unsuccessful (prohibition, sex habits, drug use, abortion the first time).
 
Old 04-14-2022, 01:34 PM
 
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That poster asked about the book. I told him/her without giving away the plot.

Your point about the book being about forced breeding is also true. Denying abortions to pregnant women in real life is also forcing them to breed. It is a direct analogy to the book.
That's where you're wrong. In the real world, 95% of unintended pregnancies in the US are due to women's voluntary participation in unprotected sex. The result of unprotected sex is likely pregnancy. The women chose pregnancy for themselves. No one forced them to become pregnant.
 
Old 04-14-2022, 02:08 PM
 
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Abortion kills another human life. No ifs, ands, or buts.
You can't make people not drive drunk or not text while driving, either. However, people who kill others while doing those things actually have to live with the consequences of their actions, and an additional charge for the death of an additional life is prosecuted if a pregnant woman is among the victims. Why not require the same of those who voluntarily participate in unprotected sex and then kill?
Drunk driving isn’t comparable to abortion neither is rape or murder. Victims of drunk driving are usually already born individuals. Same with rape and murder.
No woman in America should be forced to remain pregnant against her own wishes. Let alone gestate for 9 months. Labor and deliver then parent for 18 years unless that’s her choice. The wishes of a fully functioning humans wishes trump a fetus. The pregnancy needs a willing womb. Women aren’t slaves to their reproduction. Require prosecution for unprotected sex. Punitive and unenforceable.
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