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Old 04-16-2022, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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Men who never want to have children can get vasectomies. Women who never want to have kids can get their tubes tied. Or, people could actually use the many available birth control methods to avoid unwanted pregnancies.
And men who want to allow their women to get off the hormone pills after many years can have a vasectomy. As an example.

 
Old 04-16-2022, 09:16 AM
 
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And men who want to allow their women to get off the hormone pills after many years can have a vasectomy. As an example.
Hormones are not the only option. But yes, vasectomies are easier than tubal ligations for couples who are done having kids.
 
Old 04-16-2022, 09:20 AM
 
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Then they should’ve planned accordingly before getting to that point. They obviously thought it was easy compared to having a baby, as they could’ve had the baby and put it up for adoption if they didn’t want it. Hopefully they learned a lesson.
One of them was assaulted.
 
Old 04-16-2022, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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You are the one who said men, as well as women, should take responsibility for avoiding unintended pregnancies.

Yet when vasectomy is mentioned, you go out of your way to find an excuse why that procedure is too hard for a man to endure. The link you provided was about the need for psychological counseling before vasectomy for men or tubal ligation for women... in China. Nothing to do with what level of trauma to the body is caused by each procedure.

In case you didn't know, a tubal ligation is invasive abdominal surgery. A vasectomy ties off or snips two little tubes close to the surface. Hurts for a day or 3.
Yep, both should be responsible.

You made a claim said that it was more traumatic for a woman to have tubal ligation than for a man to have a vasectomy and wouldn’t provide proof. A simple google search proved you wrong. Now you’re going out of your way to try to deny it.

Yep, and a vasectomy is more traumatic. From the article:

“The risk for depression was 2.34 times greater after tubal ligation and 3.97 times greater after vasectomy. Similarly, all 10 indicators of anxiety were significantly higher among sterilized subjects. The risk for anxiety was 2.88 times greater after tubal ligation and 4.79 times greater after vasectomy.
 
Old 04-16-2022, 09:49 AM
 
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Yep, both should be responsible.

You made a claim said that it was more traumatic for a woman to have tubal ligation than for a man to have a vasectomy and wouldn’t provide proof. A simple google search proved you wrong. Now you’re going out of your way to try to deny it.

Yep, and a vasectomy is more traumatic. From the article:

“The risk for depression was 2.34 times greater after tubal ligation and 3.97 times greater after vasectomy. Similarly, all 10 indicators of anxiety were significantly higher among sterilized subjects. The risk for anxiety was 2.88 times greater after tubal ligation and 4.79 times greater after vasectomy.
Depression and anxiety are mental and emotional issues. They do not cause trauma to the body. All that paragraph is saying is that men in China cannot handle their vasectomies as well as women can handle their tubals... emotionally speaking.

You just proved what I said above. You nearly freaked out at the thought of a vasectomy. Same as many of the men in China.
 
Old 04-16-2022, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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Depression and anxiety are mental and emotional issues. They do not cause trauma to the body. All that paragraph is saying is that men in China cannot handle their vasectomies as well as women can handle their tubals... emotionally speaking.

You just proved what I said above. You nearly freaked out at the thought of a vasectomy. Same as many of the men in China.
Just one of many articles that relates depression to physical health. From the article:“Depression can also affect a person’s physical health”

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/322395

Interesting how you’re trying to dismiss the findings in the original article…but please do provide proof to your unfounded claims of tubal ligation causing more trauma than a vasectomy?

A simple google search isn’t freaking out, but by your standard, anyone that provides a link to prove what someone says is false is freaking out, lol.
 
Old 04-16-2022, 10:14 AM
 
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Just one of many articles that relates depression to physical health. From the article:“Depression can also affect a person’s physical health”

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/322395

Interesting how you’re trying to dismiss the findings in the original article…but please do provide proof to your unfounded claims of tubal ligation causing more trauma than a vasectomy?

A simple google search isn’t freaking out, but by your standard, anyone that provides a link to prove what someone says is false is freaking out, lol.
Whatever. I have no interest in reading more of your excuses for not wanting to actually do something about being responsible in this context. Have a nice day.

Added. You can ask any doctor if abdominal surgery is more traumatic to the body than a near-surface procedure.
 
Old 04-16-2022, 10:22 AM
 
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Whatever. I have no interest in reading more of your excuses for not wanting to actually do something about being responsible in this context. Have a nice day.

Added. You can ask any doctor if abdominal surgery is more traumatic to the body than a near-surface procedure.
In other words, you have no proof to your claims, only feelings that are unfounded.

I’ve said repeatedly that both men and women need to be responsible, so that’s another false claim.

If that was the case you’d have a link providing proof to it to support your claim.
 
Old 04-16-2022, 10:32 AM
 
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In other words, you have no proof to your claims, only feelings that are unfounded.

I’ve said repeatedly that both men and women need to be responsible, so that’s another false claim.

If that was the case you’d have a link providing proof to it to support your claim.
You SAY that both men and women should be responsible, but if it comes down to the man having a vasectomy, you look for excuses why men can't possibly do that. Effectively, that throws all the responsibility back on the woman. And no, condoms are not as reliable as vasectomies for birth control.

Good day.
 
Old 04-16-2022, 10:35 AM
 
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You SAY that both men and women should be responsible, but if it comes down to the man having a vasectomy, you look for excuses why men can't possibly do that. Effectively, that throws all the responsibility back on the woman. And no, condoms are not as reliable as vasectomies for birth control.

Good day.
I simply pointed out your claims of tubal ligation causing more trauma than a vasectomy is wrong…but please post where I said men can’t possibly have a vasectomy?
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