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Why do you want all men fixed? Do you hate that there are humans?
I didn't say that, did I? All I said was that it would solve the problem. YOUR problem of no more abortions.
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Originally Posted by erieguy
Except you have to start somewhere. Drastically reducing pregnancies means less kids on the list to begin with.
Yep, and if folks were more responsible there wouldn’t be a risk. Funny how you continue to make excuses versus promoting being responsible.
Your first part makes sense. But saying that if people were responsible there wouldn't be a risk? Of what? Pregnancy?
Excuse me for a minute. I just spit my water out laughing.
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Originally Posted by ;63275053
Lol. Again more assumptions, but please do post where I said I have the right to control your life?
"Drastically fewer pregnancies leads to drastically fewer abortions, and there’s also the option for adoption."
Right there's where you said it. Because with your fixation with adoption, you obviously want to force women through a pregnancy and a childbirth.
If that isn't wanting to control anyone's life, I don't know what is.
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Originally Posted by newtovenice
I'd be all for it, theoretically
Be interesting to see women BEGGING for men to reverse them.
Be careful what you wish for. The 'punishment' you so gleefully want to dole out may very well be your own.
Just like men would be begging women for sex if women kept their legs closed as often as men tell them to. To be, you know, responsible.
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Originally Posted by erieguy
Take precautions and pregnancy and childbirth won’t have to occur.
You seriously believe that. Haven't you read anything on the failure rates of birth control? Anything at all? I've had my tubes tied and that can fail. And as for you being so responsible, your chances of becoming a father using condoms are - read it and weep. You haven't been responsible, you've been lucky.
"In general, the failure rate for perfect use (i.e., a condom used correctly at every act of intercourse) is approximately 3%, and for typical use (condoms not used for every act of intercourse) the failure rate is 12%."
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Originally Posted by MissTerri
Men who never want to have children can get vasectomies. Women who never want to have kids can get their tubes tied. Or, people could actually use the many available birth control methods to avoid unwanted pregnancies.
They could but there. is. still. a failure. rate.
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Originally Posted by erieguy
Yep, and a vasectomy is more traumatic. From the article:
“The risk for depression was 2.34 times greater after tubal ligation and 3.97 times greater after vasectomy. Similarly, all 10 indicators of anxiety were significantly higher among sterilized subjects. The risk for anxiety was 2.88 times greater after tubal ligation and 4.79 times greater after vasectomy.
Oh, I get it now. If the risk is greater for YOU, you want to bow out and let women take the responsibility. But you don't care about risk when it comes to women. You'd rather a woman take a greater risk having a baby rather than take the lesser risk of abortion, because that risk isn't something you need to deal with. Am I right?
And anxiety and depression in a man is so much worse than a woman dying. *snort*
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Originally Posted by newtovenice
You understand that WOMEN are the ones that get pregnant, right?
Why are you saying that? It's not like pregnant women have any say over their bodies, according to you. You're the one who wants to make it illegal for women to do what they want with their bodies.
You can't have it both ways. Either women are TOTALLY responsible for their bodies or they totally AREN'T.
Which do you want? Make up your mind.
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Originally Posted by newtovenice
P-ss poor idiot logic. The 'vasectomy' argument highlights what victims women are. Poor poor women, need men to protect them because they are too dumb / incapable to do it for themselves.
Also what you're saying is women need to take responsibility for themselves because men are too dumb/incapable to do it for themselves.
I don't know about you but if I were a man, I'd be pretty insulted by some of your thought processes.
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Originally Posted by erieguy
Bingo…how dare those meanie men not do what they insist
You mean like...wear a condom when women ask them to?
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Originally Posted by erieguy
…and what’s even funnier is that a doctor isn’t going to line up a bunch of teenagers and give them vasectomies, while both young men and women are choosing to have unprotected sex.
Hey, guess what? Doctors don't even line up to sterilize adult men and women.
So, you lament the fact that people are having unprotected sex but in the same sentence, you complain about men getting vasectomies? You're too much.
You seriously believe that. Haven't you read anything on the failure rates of birth control? Anything at all? I've has my tubes tied and that can fail. And as for you being so responsible, your chances of becoming a father using condoms is - read it and weep. You haven't been responsible, you've been lucky.
"In general, the failure rate for perfect use (i.e., a condom used correctly at every act of intercourse) is approximately 3%, and for typical use (condoms not used for every act of intercourse) the failure rate is 12%."
They could but there. is. still. a failure. rate.
Oh, I get it now. If the risk is greater for YOU, you want to bow out and let women take the responsibility. But you don't care about risk when it comes to women. You'd rather a woman take a greater risk having a baby rather than take the lesser risk of abortion, because that risk isn't something you need to deal with. Am I right?
And anxiety and depression in a man is so much worse than a woman dying. *snort*
Why are you saying that? It's not like pregnant women have any say over their bodies, according to you. You're the one who wants to make it illegal for women to do what they want with their bodies.
You can't have it both ways. Either women are TOTALLY responsible for their bodies or they totally AREN'T.
Which do you want? Make up your mind.
Also what you're saying is women need to take responsibility for themselves because men are too dumb/incapable to do it for themselves.
I don't know about you but if I were a man, I'd be pretty insulted by some of your thought processes.
You mean like...wear a condom when women ask them to?
Hey, guess what? Doctors don't even line up to sterilize adult men and women.
So, you lament the fact that people are having unprotected sex but in the same sentence, you complain about men getting vasectomies? You're too much.
Lol. I said both men and women need to take responsibility. What’s the stats of using a condom to keep from getting pregnant versus using nothing like 52% of those that have unprotected sex?
Nope, never opposed a vasectomy. I simply posted facts in response to another posters unfounded claims.
Nope, I’ve said both men and women should take responsibility.
Yep, doctors won’t, that’s why both men and women need to take responsibility.
Nope, never complained about a man getting a vasectomy, but please do post where I did?
I didn't say that, did I? All I said was that it would solve the problem. YOUR problem of no more abortions.
Your first part makes sense. But saying that if people were responsible there wouldn't be a risk? Of what? Pregnancy?
Excuse me for a minute. I just spit my water out laughing.
"Drastically fewer pregnancies leads to drastically fewer abortions, and there’s also the option for adoption."
Right there's where you said it. Because with your fixation with adoption, you obviously want to force women through a pregnancy and a childbirth.
If that isn't wanting to control anyone's life, I don't know what is.
Just like men would be begging women for sex if women kept their legs closed as often as men tell them to. To be, you know, responsible.
You seriously believe that. Haven't you read anything on the failure rates of birth control? Anything at all? I've had my tubes tied and that can fail. And as for you being so responsible, your chances of becoming a father using condoms are - read it and weep. You haven't been responsible, you've been lucky.
"In general, the failure rate for perfect use (i.e., a condom used correctly at every act of intercourse) is approximately 3%, and for typical use (condoms not used for every act of intercourse) the failure rate is 12%."
They could but there. is. still. a failure. rate.
Oh, I get it now. If the risk is greater for YOU, you want to bow out and let women take the responsibility. But you don't care about risk when it comes to women. You'd rather a woman take a greater risk having a baby rather than take the lesser risk of abortion, because that risk isn't something you need to deal with. Am I right?
And anxiety and depression in a man is so much worse than a woman dying. *snort*
Why are you saying that? It's not like pregnant women have any say over their bodies, according to you. You're the one who wants to make it illegal for women to do what they want with their bodies.
You can't have it both ways. Either women are TOTALLY responsible for their bodies or they totally AREN'T.
Which do you want? Make up your mind.
Also what you're saying is women need to take responsibility for themselves because men are too dumb/incapable to do it for themselves.
I don't know about you but if I were a man, I'd be pretty insulted by some of your thought processes.
You mean like...wear a condom when women ask them to?
Hey, guess what? Doctors don't even line up to sterilize adult men and women.
So, you lament the fact that people are having unprotected sex but in the same sentence, you complain about men getting vasectomies? You're too much.
Both control failure rates are extremely low. If women only had abortions because they used birth control and it failed, there would be WAY LESS abortions. I’d be happy with that.
Be interesting to see women BEGGING for men to reverse them.
Begging to reverse? I highly doubt that a woman who doesn't want another child (or any baby of her own at all) would beg a man to reverse a vasectomy, which is a loving (and easy) procedure a man does for a woman he loves.
In the rare instance where one might want to reverse a vasectomy, reversal "works about 90% to 95% of the time" according to Dr. James Hotaling, a urologist and the director of the men's health program at University of Utah Health.
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