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I respect what Ike warned...But...Here is the uncomfortable fact...That the MIC do not need wars to stay profitable. It is true that with a war, hardware will be destroyed and needs replaced, but in peacetime, we do nearly, and I mean greater than %75, as a war will do. We train harder than anyone. We deploy farther and stay longer in more hostile environments than anyone. We break more in peacetime than some militaries do in war time.
You do not like the price of some things the US military bought? A non-sparking hammer at civilian retail price can go as high as $300 per unit. One use for a non-sparking hammer is in general aviation and commercial shipping where fuel vapors do not like spark. Now look at the things the military needs that only one or two manufacturing sources exists. I am currently in the semiconductor industry and NASA sometimes call us for decades old products that are proven harsh environment hardened. We will provide but it will cost because we have to resurrect old recipes, older equipment, and older brains to re-make what NASA needs.
Not only does the MIC need the wars, but it also needs the never-ending cost overruns. Guess what would happen in ANY other industry if you do something like the F35 budget blow up. Yes, you get fired.
I respect what Ike warned...But...Here is the uncomfortable fact...That the MIC do not need wars to stay profitable. It is true that with a war, hardware will be destroyed and needs replaced, but in peacetime, we do nearly, and I mean greater than %75, as a war will do. We train harder than anyone. We deploy farther and stay longer in more hostile environments than anyone. We break more in peacetime than some militaries do in war time...........
Some people fling around the Eisenhower quote even though they have no understanding of what Ike was saying. They believe Ike was saying the MIC (It has become so widely quoted that it no longer needs to be spelled out) will take charge and actually create wars to make itself profitable.
That's not what he was saying at all.
Eisenhower is not saying that we should return to a small military with a small budget. He was saying that “an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of Military/Industrial complex with the need for security. LINK
What we lack now is an alert and knowledgeable citizenry. The public school system is churning out graduates whose "knowledge" of America is limited to believing America is the source of all evil and invades countries in order to support the MIC, which, of course, pays off the politicians. The more time spent in an American classroom, it seems, the more you believe all that nonsense to be true.
Some people fling around the Eisenhower quote even though they have no understanding of what Ike was saying. They believe Ike was saying the MIC (It has become so widely quoted that it no longer needs to be spelled out) will take charge and actually create wars to make itself profitable.
That's not what he was saying at all.
Eisenhower is not saying that we should return to a small military with a small budget. He was saying that “an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of Military/Industrial complex with the need for security. LINK
What we lack now is an alert and knowledgeable citizenry. The public school system is churning out graduates whose "knowledge" of America is limited to believing America is the source of all evil and invades countries in order to support the MIC, which, of course, pays off the politicians. The more time spent in an American classroom, it seems, the more you believe all that nonsense to be true.
No, as opposed to you we know exactly what he was saying.
And apparently, the citizenry can't do that much considering that the military expenditures are well above a trillion at this point. Which is what, how many of the next, combined?
So you did minimize your time in the classroom, right?
Of airliners capable of carrying a couple hundred people at a time: Boeing and Airbus. Care to guess the military side? When it comes to aviation, the list of sources and clients are short. Once a manufacturer is eliminated, whatever they proposed in competition is essentially erased because no one else can buy them, either because the US government will not allow to sell overseas or that no other country can technically support the product. So what the US military have left is one manufacturer for the F-35, or whatever product, and if there are cost overruns, we have to pay the price.
The first Abrams was destroyed at Avdiivka direction.
Every single 'game changer' weapon that NATO supplies and hypes up, turns out to be a bust.
Well, HIMARS are effective, but didn't exactly change anything.
It will be the same with F16's.
Yeah, these are the moves of Armenia's leader Pashinyan, an aspiring Globalist that is destroying his countries position by severing ties to Russia.
You remember the fighting and refugees from Nagorno-Karabakh clash?
It is territory Azerbaijan would like to re-claim.
Well, Armenia's wonderful Globalist leader Pashinyan made statements indicating Azerbaijan is the owner and effectively green-lit the Azerbaijan military conquest.
Now, Pashinyan wants to leave CSTO, I guess we'll just have to wait and see how Azerbaijan responds to another green light.
If you look at the Armenia capital Yerevan on google earth, there's a very large US Embassy there (why, are there loads of americans requiring consular assistance?) and right next to it is a very large USAID building. They are working diligently on flipping that country by hook or by crook.
Some people fling around the Eisenhower quote even though they have no understanding of what Ike was saying. They believe Ike was saying the MIC (It has become so widely quoted that it no longer needs to be spelled out) will take charge and actually create wars to make itself profitable.
That's not what he was saying at all.
Eisenhower is not saying that we should return to a small military with a small budget. He was saying that “an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of Military/Industrial complex with the need for security. LINK
What we lack now is an alert and knowledgeable citizenry. The public school system is churning out graduates whose "knowledge" of America is limited to believing America is the source of all evil and invades countries in order to support the MIC, which, of course, pays off the politicians. The more time spent in an American classroom, it seems, the more you believe all that nonsense to be true.
I am 100% spot on with Eisenhower.
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For Eisenhower, the danger posed by this new reality was not only the lobbying influence and economic might that arms companies would wield going forward. It was a “total . . . even spiritual” threat to the character of American society. Eisenhower’s private diary, as well as his letters to his friends during his political career, show his persistent concern about the unending militarization of American foreign policy. He viewed military spending as “sterile” and worried it would lead to a society that mistakenly valued safety and arms at the expense of schools, infrastructure, and social safety nets.
Look at how far down the Orwellian rabbit hole this board has dove.
Any dissent must be from a Putin bot. No one should question the military industrial complex narrative.
Any dissent can be dismissed off hand. No one should question the military industrial complex narrative.
Simultaneously Russia is a weak clown show on the verge of collapse, but they are ready to take on logistically tougher and militarily stronger NATO countries. Either way, both conflicting and rotating views mean don't question the military industrial complex narrative.
Simultaneously NATO has superior weapons and trainings that will change the war for Ukraine AND Russia is a grave threat to NATO that is ready to take them on head to head. Either way, bith conflicting and rotational views mean don't question the military industrial complex narrative.
You'll be familiar with this one, Denys the YouTuber tells an obvious BS about Ukraine amphibiously invading Crimea, it's so obviously BS, but Denys can't be questioned, so it must be a "false flag" to dupe Putin and his generals who must hang on Denys the youtuber's every word to fool them into misallocating troops!
I am told only people who support the military industrial complex are real patriots and I respond with a 100% accurately cited Eisenhower's warning, but the military industrial complex can't be criticized so we must magically pretend Eisenhower really meant something else.
Stop it.
Come to your senses.
Regain control.
Think.
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