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Old 07-24-2022, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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Do people not like their States to have their rights? Can't stand it ... Dems have control under the ACA of what you can and can not have medically. What more do they want? Money. If you really want to see who is and who isn't banning BC, you may want to revisit the ACA laws. If it is not there, then you can not have it, nor can it be provided for you unless through your healthcare provider and insurance coverage.

Stop trying to say States are doing something they are not doing, or have any intention of ever doing in the future --- we know this because 'we the people' vote in State elections.
What are you babbling about? Any medical device, medication or procedure that is not available under your specific health insurance plan can be purchased on your own. And you can change to a different health plan that better suits your needs during open enrollment season.

As to what states are planning to do... look at the state fallout when Roe v Wade went down.

 
Old 07-24-2022, 06:40 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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If a state bans a particular drug or medical device, and makes it a crime for a doc to prescribe it, that drug or device will no longer be available to you. Just like in some states now, docs cannot perform an abortion after some number of weeks set by the state. You used to be able to go to the doc for that abortion, but no longer.

Why are you having trouble understanding this?

If the feds make access to BC pills and devices a right, the states cannot ban them. The feds are trying to maintain a right that we have had for 50 years. How is that owning you? It is the opposite. The fed law would be saying that you own you.
NO STATE will ban an FDA approved drug....ITS ALREADY FEDERALLY APPROVED....Why are you having trouble understanding this?
 
Old 07-24-2022, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Southeast US
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I just posted GOP governors plans.
I missed this, where it said multiple GOP governors wanted to outlaw pre-conception contraception. Can you share again please?

I mean, it's like using pronouns now. Merely "contraception" as a word which 99% of people believes 1 thing is no longer enough, just like "mother" has to be replaced with "birthing person"
 
Old 07-24-2022, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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We are not talking about guns in this thread. We are also not talking about issues that are spelled out in the Constitution.

We ARE talking about a potential law to keep birth control meds and products available nationwide. A federal law always takes precedence over local laws.
so why not "make it a right to ALL medicine and devices"..... why are you liberals so biased, that you cant see the forest through the trees


EQUALITY...means EVERYTHING....not just some specific thing that you "feel" needs to be a "right"
 
Old 07-24-2022, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Southeast US
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Nearly every GOP rep rejects bill to protect interstate abortion travel
Republicans aren’t just eyeing measures to block Americans from traveling to other states for abortions, they also balking at federal protections.
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...avel-rcna38694

They are going play by play to control women. Look at all the bills with the same intent to force women produce offspring.
now I'm not sure if it was your unique illogical method of posting (I've been assuming you were talk-to-texting) or just that you absolutely parrot what your chosen sources say. Because your MSNBC/Rachel Maddow blog (not written by RM) said exactly:

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Republicans aren’t just eyeing measures to block Americans from traveling to other states for abortions, they also balking at federal protections.

One of the best-known sites on your side can't even correct idiocy within 4 days?
 
Old 07-24-2022, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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And please tell my why contraception SHOULD BE a Federal right?

Why you ask? We shouldn't have to pass a law to make it a right. But the crazies in the states who want to ban all or some types of birth control are forcing the adults in the room to make it legal nationwide.
liberals are certainly not the adults.... you guys are screaming like little babies, crying because Vanilla ice-cream is not a right, when there are more than 57 flavors
 
Old 07-24-2022, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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so why not "make it a right to ALL medicine and devices"..... why are you liberals so biased, that you cant see the forest through the trees


EQUALITY...means EVERYTHING....not just some specific thing that you "feel" needs to be a "right"
Huh? You're just rambling. Alcohol is legal, why not krokodil or bath salts? I can go 65 mph, why not 130 mph? Equality means everything, that's what your applied logic sounds like to me.

And while we're at it, we DO decide natural human rights based on how we "feel". That's what our Constitution is, made by... humans. There is no ultimate and infallible moral code found in nature.
 
Old 07-24-2022, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Huh? You're just rambling. Alcohol is legal, why not krokodil or bath salts? I can go 65 mph, why not 130 mph? Equality means everything, that's what your applied logic sounds like to me.

And while we're at it, we DO decide natural human rights based on how we "feel". That's what our Constitution is, made by... humans. There is no ultimate and infallible moral code found in nature.
no I am not rambling...


the FACT is the access to ALL medications (and medical devises) should be legal within the USA... yet liberals are concentrating in one very tiny aspect of the medical field....


to list a certain medication as a "right", is not within the aspects of fairness..... so if liberals are supposed to be the compassionate ones, then why not fight for the fair/equal thing....ALL MEDICATIONS



so are liberals the fair-minded compassionate party....or are they the biased unfair, unequal party???
 
Old 07-24-2022, 07:07 PM
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Location: Dallas, TX
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After Clarence Thomas declared that the constitutional right to contraception should be reconsidered just like Roe was, Democrats passed a bill in the House of Representatives to make the right to contraception a federal law, despite Republican opposition, so that no American in any state would ever have to fear losing their access to contraception simply based on where they live:

House Dems pass Right to Contraception Act despite GOP opposition - MSNBC
Republicans seek to outlaw both abortion and contraception? Don't they actually not see that with more contraception there's fewer abortions? Or that with fewer contraceptives there'll be more abortions?


Hmm, maybe the Republicans aren't so naive as that. I find it far more likely that they see banning both as part of a two pronged strategy to discourage out of wedlock sex, and if possible restigmatize out of wedlock sex. This is especially true for the Christian Nationalist types. No other position other than a broader campaign to restigmatizing sex out of wedlock explains opposition to both abortion and contraceptives. Last I checked, the Evangelicals frowned just as severely on male out of wedlock sex as female - at least in their preachings to their followers. And even this much is still generously assuming there's no sexism and misogyny involved in the matter.
 
Old 07-24-2022, 07:07 PM
 
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this is NOT about a woman's body... there are contraceptives for men too

this is a stupid thing that will get rejected by SCOTUS for one important reason...fairness/equal-ness

if you are going to call a medicine a right... then that means ALL medicines

you can NOT make one medicine a right, and not the rest......


what happened to liberals, they used to be about equal-ness and equality
Maybe we need a law to allow people the right to all medicines that have passed FDA approval for safety and efficacy. Maybe we need a law that prevents states from meddling in all medical issues.
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