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Old 07-27-2011, 04:15 PM
 
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Yep, no commonsense fuel standards. No considerations for individual liberty and choice. Obama will roll out his new federal fuel standards guaranteed to kill jobs and greatly damage the automotive industry and support industries. Basically it is an "electric car" mandate.

Obama to announce new fuel standards - The Hill's E2-Wire


Obama's Fuel Economy Standards Threaten the Economy - Peter Roff (usnews.com)

Why is it going to kill jobs?
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Old 07-27-2011, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Yep, no commonsense fuel standards. No considerations for individual liberty and choice. Obama will roll out his new federal fuel standards guaranteed to kill jobs and greatly damage the automotive industry and support industries. Basically it is an "electric car" mandate.

Obama to announce new fuel standards - The Hill's E2-Wire


Obama's Fuel Economy Standards Threaten the Economy - Peter Roff (usnews.com)
Do you like the United States trade deficit?

If you don't, then you should know that 50% of our trad deficit comes from spending money on foreign oil.

Its time to end our oil dependence, and if private industry doesn't start pushing that way, then the government should. I think we should use natural gas, and no, thats not a "green" solution. Most cars today can run on it with minimal conversion, its domestic, and its cheap.

Anyone who suggests drilling more should read oil industry reports. The United States doesn't have enough oil to meet demand, even if all drilling restrictions were removed tomorrow.

Time to move onto a new energy source. Yes, we will always need oil for plastics, lubricant, etc, but most of what we buy goes for transportation, and we have other alternatives for that.
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Old 07-27-2011, 04:23 PM
 
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Rising fuel prices have the effect of consumers calling for more economical vehicles without any wrongheaded dictation from the idiots in d.c.
If the consumer wants it, it will be made.
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Old 07-27-2011, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Rising fuel prices have the effect of consumers calling for more economical vehicles without any wrongheaded dictation from the idiots in d.c.
If the consumer wants it, it will be made.
Thats not necessarily true. Many people don't even think about natural gas as an energy source for transportation. They think that the only alternative to petroleum based fuels is electric, which most folks don't want yet.

Who can blame them, with distances of 200 miles before you need a 6 hour charge, most folks won't go there.

Sometimes, although rare, government push for a new industry is needed. Without government grants for airplane development during the world wars, we'd be 50 years behind where we are now. Just like satellite communication, without government space race spending, most folks wouldn't know what they were missing out on.

Like I said, its rare that this kind of intervention is needed, but I think a push for natural gas and other domestic sources of energy isn't a bad thing.
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Old 07-27-2011, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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We already killed the used car market via cash for clunkers which crushed perfectly good cars.

Just give everyone a horse and then we only need to worry about hay and poop.
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Old 07-27-2011, 04:37 PM
 
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Thats not necessarily true. Many people don't even think about natural gas as an energy source for transportation. They think that the only alternative to petroleum based fuels is electric, which most folks don't want yet.

Who can blame them, with distances of 200 miles before you need a 6 hour charge, most folks won't go there.

Sometimes, although rare, government push for a new industry is needed. Without government grants for airplane development during the world wars, we'd be 50 years behind where we are now. Just like satellite communication, without government space race spending, most folks wouldn't know what they were missing out on.

Like I said, its rare that this kind of intervention is needed, but I think a push for natural gas and other domestic sources of energy isn't a bad thing.
Its up to a given industry to put that information out there and let consumers decide. When government dictates or favors a technology, it is often at the expense of competing ones. I don't like monopolies.
Sounds like you are okay with them so long as the state decides.

Should they be telling restaurants what market niche to be in next?
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Old 07-27-2011, 04:48 PM
 
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Do you like the United States trade deficit?

If you don't, then you should know that 50% of our trad deficit comes from spending money on foreign oil.

Its time to end our oil dependence, and if private industry doesn't start pushing that way, then the government should. I think we should use natural gas, and no, thats not a "green" solution. Most cars today can run on it with minimal conversion, its domestic, and its cheap.

Anyone who suggests drilling more should read oil industry reports. The United States doesn't have enough oil to meet demand, even if all drilling restrictions were removed tomorrow.

Time to move onto a new energy source. Yes, we will always need oil for plastics, lubricant, etc, but most of what we buy goes for transportation, and we have other alternatives for that.
The market should dictate what cars companies manufacture and not the federal government. The federally subsidized GE Volt is largely a market failure.
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Old 07-27-2011, 04:55 PM
 
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The market should dictate what cars companies manufacture and not the federal government. The federally subsidized GE Volt is largely a market failure.


Yep. GE is supposed to purchase over 25,000 of them at FULL PRICE from GM and get a tax deduction for doing it. The taxpayers get screwed over from both ends.
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Old 07-27-2011, 05:28 PM
 
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internet rule number 442

"anyone who uses the term "job killing" is a lick-spittle lackey for the wealthy or a person deeply invested in his own worst interest"

internet rule number 236

"anyone who uses the term "job creator" when describing anyone other than the person who just hired him or her has been fooled by modern political new-speak, aka lies"
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Old 07-27-2011, 05:30 PM
 
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We already killed the used car market via cash for clunkers which crushed perfectly good cars.

Just give everyone a horse and then we only need to worry about hay and poop.
Poop creates methane which causes the dreaded global warming though.
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