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Old 06-02-2009, 03:35 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Originally Posted by afoigrokerkok View Post
I read through the Kansas abortion law. It doesn't mention an exception for fetal defect after the cutoff (which is 21 weeks). Were these abortions performed under the "mental health of the woman" exception?
There is no mental health clause. The elective cutoff is post viability. The law clearly states:

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No person shall perform or induce an abortion when the fetus is viable unless such person is a physician and has a documented referral from another physician not legally or financially affiliated with the physician performing or inducing the abortion and both physicians determine that: (1) the abortion is necessary to preserve the life of the pregnant women; or (2) a continuation of the pregnancy will cause substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function of the pregnant woman.
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K.S.A. 65-6703 criminalizes post-viability abortions unless the abortion is
performed by a physician with a documented referral from an
independent physician who agrees that the abortion is necessary to
preserve the life of the pregnant woman or that continuation of the
pregnancy will cause substantial and irreversible impairment of a major
bodily function; requires physicians performing abortions to: determine
and document gestational age, and--for those fetuses of 22 weeks or more
gestational age--determine and document whether the fetus is viable, and
to report such determinations and the basis for same to the Secretary of
Health and Environment along with other statistical information about all
abortions performed required by K.S.A. 65-445. 1992, 1993, 1998

 
Old 06-02-2009, 03:35 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Originally Posted by FinkieMcGee View Post
Methinks you're trying to frame an argument in the worst way imaginable.

There were clearly women that were at health risk if they carried the baby to term. Are these people and Tiller deplorable human beings for performing that operation under that case?

See arguing on merits... it's wild man.
Late-term abortion a life and death debate | Herald Sun
 
Old 06-02-2009, 03:36 PM
 
Location: um....guess
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Actually it appears the polls are shifting against abortion.
Ah, abortion is legal. Did you not read my post?
 
Old 06-02-2009, 03:38 PM
 
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In this case it's a very appropriate comparison. The abortion movement (actually an arm of the eugenics movement) inspired the Nazis, and Sanger (founder planned parenthood) praised the Nazis.
Is there nothing here you can get right? Sanger was OPPOSED to abortion...
 
Old 06-02-2009, 03:38 PM
 
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So you fell they are deplorable human beings then?

Also: "Dr David van Gend is secretary to the World Federation of Doctors who Respect Human Life"

Ah, that's what I'm looking for when I spot unbiased research.
 
Old 06-02-2009, 03:39 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Sorry, afo, fogot the link to the legislation regarding KS viable abortions:
Statutes (http://www.kslegislature.org/legsrv-statutes/getStatute.do?number=27158 - broken link)
 
Old 06-02-2009, 03:40 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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What planet was that on? Here on earth, Sanger was quite critical of the Nazis, and her books were in fact among the first that were banned in Germany. She encouraged strong, independent, free-thinking women. Not exactly what the Reich had in mind. Not exactly your cup of tea either, I'd guess...
She praised the euegenics programs in Nazi Germany in the 1930's. The Birth Control Review frequently contained Nazi propaganda. She distanced herself after the public became aware of the reality of the Nazis...but her ideas sure didn't change. She was as racist and into eugenics as before.
 
Old 06-02-2009, 03:43 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Man charged with first-degree murder for abortion doctor's death


Good.
 
Old 06-02-2009, 03:43 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Is there nothing here you can get right? Sanger was OPPOSED to abortion...
Yeah okay. Some quotes:

“The most merciful thing that the large family does to one of its infants is to kill it.”

“(Eugenics) shows that we are paying for and even submitting to the dictates of an increasing, unceasingly spawning class of human beings who never should have been born at all.”

-Sanger, both in 1920
 
Old 06-02-2009, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Texas
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There is no mental health clause. The elective cutoff is post viability. The law clearly states:
So it was determined that these fetuses were not viable, correct?

(By 21 weeks, I meant that was the latest abortions could be performed).

As far as the mental health exception, I read that a court opinioned that it was included in the general health exception.

Abortionist Tiller Likely to Escape Late Term Abortion Charges

"That exception has been taken to include mental health risks to the mother, as long as the risk is substantial and irreversible, and provided two separate physicians sign off on the abortion."

This also states that Tiller did, in fact, use the mental health exception determined by the court. (I understand this is a very biased site, but it was one of the first ones that came up during my 30-second google search).
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