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Old 08-04-2009, 07:30 AM
 
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why would our country even consider a plan that would include illegal immigrants? medicare and medicaid are already drowning in debt, yet pelosi wants to see american awash in even more red ink.

We have a member of Congress who has said,

“We need to raise the standard of living of our poor, unemployed and minorities. For example, we have an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in our country who need our help along with millions of unemployed minorities. Stock market windfall profits taxes could go a long way to guarantee these people the standard of living they would like to have as ‘Americans’.”

- Nancy Pelosi
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Old 08-04-2009, 07:39 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Again, how did you come to this conclusion; polling, independent research, how? What were your methods?

If this is true, according to your statement, we have no healthcare crisis. You suggest in the above post that most Americans can afford to pay, even out of pocket, for medical care.
OVER 16 MILLION of those who are uninsured earn $50,000 or more a year!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 08-04-2009, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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I believe the overwhelming majority of people polled are happy with their insurance...

I also believe the Census Bureau's own figures show over 16 million of those uninsured make over $50,000/year....
Even if this is true, what about the 30 million (10% of our population) that have no health insurance?
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Old 08-04-2009, 07:47 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Even if this is true, what about the 30 million (10% of our population) that have no health insurance?
Where do you get this 30 million figure from???
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Old 08-04-2009, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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why would our country even consider a plan that would include illegal immigrants? medicare and medicaid are already drowning in debt, yet pelosi wants to see american awash in even more red ink.
They are already covered. It's a matter of medical ethics. You can treat them in a low cost clinic or in an emergency room, but people aren't left out in the street to die.
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Old 08-04-2009, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Please, keep in mind that in the United States today, over 80% of Americans have health insurance.

And yes - some require co-pays. Some have deductibles. There is NO REASON why you should expect the Government to pay for 100% of every little medical bill you incur.

Insurance use to be ONLY for MAJOR Medical - hospitalizations / surgeries.

I would not mind going back to that and having Americans actually pay for some of their own medical costs. What would be wrong with that?
This for example: If someone cannot afford to pay "out of pocket" to see a pulmonologist for that chronic cough, they don't. They continue to go around coughing TB in public place (True account).

What is wrong with that is those who cannot go because of cost could potentially become a public health problem.
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Old 08-04-2009, 07:55 AM
 
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LOL! That's not a plan. It's an outline for a research paper.
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Old 08-04-2009, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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There are 300 plus million people in the USA...37 million have no insurance.
46 million + have no insurance.

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Annual Census Bureau estimates released in August show 47 million people, or 15.8 percent of the U.S. population, were without health insurance during 2006 — a 4.9 percent increase.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/567737
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Old 08-04-2009, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Where do you get this 30 million figure from???
LOL That would be 46 - 16 = 30
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Old 08-04-2009, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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46 million + have no insurance.
Permit me a question - do you want to cover those in the country illegally?
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