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Old 08-03-2009, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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IMO, if you are truly an American, and you truly believe in FAIRNESS, you will contact your Congressional Representative(s) and DEMAND that this legislation at least be afforded fair hearings - The Democrats are trying desperately NOT to allow this by rushing through the Pelosi / Reid bills.

LET all sides be heard -
Where is Fox News? Are they too busy looking for Obama's Kenyan birth certificate or something?
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Old 08-03-2009, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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This bill protects insurance companies which is what they want.
This legislation eliminated preexisting conditions. That is not "protecting the insurance companies".

Unlike the Dem plan - this bill allows YOU to decide 1) If you want insurance and 2) if you do, from whom. No mandates. No fines. Total and complete freedom of choice

This bill caps premiums from insurance companies - again, not "protecting the insurance company" as you suggest.

This bill allows insurance companies to market their plans across state lines, creating larger insurance pools, bringing down premiums

This bill, unlike the Democratic plan, allows taxpayers TO DEDUCT THE PREMIUMS and other health care costs - in pretax dollars - thereby making insurance MORE AFFORDABLE

I could go on and on - but I will not - for, you are of a mindset that the only entity / group who can decide what is best for you is the Government.

I'm sorry but, I think I make better choices for my life than the Government can.
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Old 08-03-2009, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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So - now you start the personal attacks once again - clearly because you have no legitimate argument against the proposed legislation.

This legislation eliminated preexisting conditions. That is not "protecting the insurance companies".

Unlike the Dem plan - this bill allows YOU to decide 1) If you want insurance and 2) if you do, from whom. No mandates. No fines. Total and complete freedom of choice

This bill caps premiums from insurance companies - again, not "protecting the insurance company" as you suggest.

This bill allows insurance companies to market their plans across state lines, creating larger insurance pools, bringing down premiums

This bill, unlike the Democratic plan, allows taxpayers TO DEDUCT THE PREMIUMS and other health care costs - in pretax dollars - thereby making insurance MORE AFFORDABLE

I could go on and on - but I will not - for, you are of a mindset that the only entity / group who can decide what is best for you is the Government.

I'm sorry but, I think I make better choices for my life than the Government can.
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the insurance industry has a long record of dishonesty and of ignoring laws and regulations in its remorseless pursuit of profits. Simply enacting a few new regulations—and shifting responsibility for enforcing them from the states to federal agencies that lack the funding to do the job well—is not a way to transform a notoriously untrustworthy industry into an honest one.
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In the existing environment, the insurers mainly compete to avoid covering the sickest 10 percent of the population that accounts for 70 percent of health care spending.
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Insurance company executives know they can ration care with impunity because independent analysts cannot review their secret practices. And state insurance regulators have inadequate staffs and budgets, so violations often go unnoticed by them. The challenge for regulators is compounded by state laws that do not require insurers to disclose enough information about business practices so the public and the regulators can gain a clear picture of how insurers really operate. Consequently, insurer practices that systematically deny people needed care are rarely exposed except in anecdotal media accounts. Even when illegal activity is caught, the fines that insurers pay to settle allegations represent a tiny fraction of their annual revenues and earnings.
http://hcfan.3cdn.net/48b73f19dac6bc9fa7_vzm6iijoh.pdf

The only way to keep insurance companies in line is to make them compete.

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A public insurance plan will hold down underlying health costs across the nation and keep private plans honest by competing with them.
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Old 08-03-2009, 03:21 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Probably most. My brother-in-law had his non-group insurance premium go up to over $800/month because he got high blood pressure and Type 2 diabetes. He was only 60 years old. This was in the mid 1990s. Imagine what it would cost today!
Actually from what I have read,something like 16 million make over $50,000 a year....
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Old 08-03-2009, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Actually from what I have read,something like 16 million make over $50,000 a year....
Well lets see what you have read!
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Old 08-03-2009, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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jojajn - I have a very serious question that I hope you will answer honestly:

Do you believe that the Government can make better choices than you can in regards to issues that affect your day to day life? In other words, do you believe the Government knows more than you?
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Old 08-03-2009, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Well lets see what you have read!
The links to this info have been posted MANY, MANY times - and you have merely chosen to ignore the proof.

Its called the Ostrich syndrome jojajn
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Old 08-03-2009, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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And, it has been introduced into the Congress - of course the leftist media has not told you very much about it.

See for yourself:

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/GO...in;contentBody

http://www.house.gov/ryan/PCA/PCAsummary15p.pdf

It's a lot of nothing that leaves the Insurance Companies and Lawyers making the bulk of the money. It's single payer or nothing
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Old 08-03-2009, 03:25 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Well lets see what you have read!
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However, the Census Bureau report “Income, Poverty, and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2005,” puts the initial number of uninsured people living in the country at 46.577 million.

A closer look at that report reveals the Census data include 9.487 million people who are “not a citizen.” Subtracting the 10 million non-Americans, the number of uninsured Americans falls to roughly 37 million.
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according to the same Census report, there are 8.3 million uninsured people who make between $50,000 and $74,999 per year and 8.74 million who make more than $75,000 a year. That’s roughly 17 million people who ought to be able to “afford” health insurance because they make substantially more than the median household income of $46,32
Health Care Lie: '47 Million Uninsured Americans'
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Old 08-03-2009, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Actually from what I have read,something like 16 million make over $50,000 a year....
Figure 2.
The Distribution of the Uninsured and Total U.S. Population by Income
(As measured by the Federal Poverty Level) in 2004

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