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Originally Posted by Ceece
It's an outline of the intended goal. It does not go into detail of HOW, with a few exceptions (tax breaks, opt-outs, etc) I'm not sure what was "introduced to congress" since there is nothing there to vote on.
Intended goal? No thanks! We've already seen how well that strategy worked as a war plan
You can still opt NOT to have insurance and as a result you pay a 2% fine under the Obama plan. Not so bad if you ask me, considering that 2% is far less than what insurance actually costs. AND considering that IF and WHEN the person becomes ill while uninsured then at least they would have paid into SOMETHING for what they will eventually get.
Are you totally sure of your statement above TM? Because, it is real easy to show how mistaken you are.
Say I got a 30 something. No employer healthcare. He can get (and I have previously PROVED THIS TO YOU), a "bare bones" policy for $150 (or less) per month.
Now, say that same 30 something does not want health insurance - and he is making say - 100K a year (lots are actually doing this TM) - suddenly, he is now getting fined 2% of his gross income - which is now more than the insurance premium.
Now - say the Feds assess a fine TM - how are they going to enforce the fine? No one knows - there is room in the Obamacare bill where the fine might result in a criminal charge - something I'm sure you are aware of.
Let people make up their own minds if they want insurance or not. Most will decide they want insurance TM - have faith in the American people (something you do not now have).
Are you totally sure of your statement above TM? Because, it is real easy to show how mistaken you are.
Say I got a 30 something. No employer healthcare. He can get (and I have previously PROVED THIS TO YOU), a "bare bones" policy for $150 (or less) per month.
Now, say that same 30 something does not want health insurance - and he is making say - 100K a year (lots are actually doing this TM) - suddenly, he is now getting fined 2% of his gross income - which is now more than the insurance premium.
Now - say the Feds assess a fine TM - how are they going to enforce the fine? No one knows - there is room in the Obamacare bill where the fine might result in a criminal charge - something I'm sure you are aware of.
Let people make up their own minds if they want insurance or not. Most will decide they want insurance TM - have faith in the American people (something you do not now have).
Then he has a choice. get the insurance or pay the fine...
If insurance is less than the fine.. then the wise thing to do would be to COMPLY with the law.
AND..not having car insurance AND not paying the fine (which in NY state was like $50 for every day you weren't insured!!) is indeed criminal.. just like not paying your taxes are etc.
He may not WANT to buy insurance.. but then he will not WANT to pay the bill when he gets hurt or sick because he didn't WANT insurance.. and then the rest of us are left holding his BAG he didn't WANT!!! GD..
PLEASE.. and there is enough of YOUR rhetoric all over these boards.
I talk about the Obama plan because I read it, understand it etc.
Unlike the rest of you who just listen to "opinions" by people with agendas rather than reading it for yourself and forming your own opinion.
I'm tired of hearing about the lies spread and the mistruths about the current Obama plan.. it's absolutely RIDICULOUS.. ABSURD and downright disgusting!
First off - we are not talking about car insurance (btw - you don't necessarily need car insurance TM - most states let you put up a CD for the financial minimums required). So, lets try to stay on topic -
I understand you are all for Mandated insurance. And, that is fine.
However, polls (recent) are showing that support among'st the American people for Obamacare is slipping - and slipping quite a bit actually. One of the reasons is - the mandate.
While most American agree that it is the ideal to have insurance - and most do btw - they are objecting to the GOVERNMENT telling them they have to do something or they will be penalized by that government.
They are objecting to the removal TM of a FREEDOM - and, I understand you cannot fathom people feeling this way but, it still is the case.
We can argue and argue about if a person should, or should not have insurance - heck, I believe they should. I can't understand those who can afford it not having insurance.
BUT, where you and I part ways is, I support the RIGHT and the FREEDOM of the American people to make their OWN decisions as to what is right for them - and not have the government tell them what is right for them. You think exactly the opposite.
For the record, while its not inexpensive, I don't consider $1,000 a month that bad either.
However, I have no idea how much others I paying - I don't generally get that nosey
If you don't know what health insurance is costing other people, how would you know whether we need a healthcare reform?
What do you base your opinions about the fairness of insurance companies on?
How would you compare the cost of private insurance vs. government plan?
Are you basing your opinion solely on what works for just you?
If you don't know what health insurance is costing other people, how would you know whether we need a healthcare reform?
What do you base your opinions about the fairness of insurance companies on?
How would you compare the cost of private insurance vs. government plan?
Are you basing your opinion solely on what works for just you?
Aren't YOU basing your opinion on personal/anecdotal experiences???
It won't be any cheaper under Obamacare TM. You are only fooling yourself if you think it will be. Also, keep in mind that my policy has far more bells and whistles, of which you have previously criticized me for, that many would want.
So, your premium would, more than likely, be much less
You have no clue what insurance is costing people these days, do you?
Hey, if this post was talking about me, I just now came back to this website and am looking at this thread. This plan was complete and the Dems knew about it in June, and the Rs just were shy about putting it out in public? Link, please?
I dont see anything about this new R plan in the news online btw.
Exactly!
Where is loud-mouth Limbaugh about it? Is he still griping about Obama's birth certificate? Didn't any of the talking heads on Fox News think it was important enough to bring up? Was it upstaged on these shows by the death of Michael Jackson?
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