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I wonder what issue she'll use Trig as a prop for next.
When it happens I think it will have something to do with Papa God having told Trig that his mother should be president. That way anyone who disagrees hates Trig, all special needs people, babies, and God.
When it happens I think it will have something to do with Papa God having told Trig that his mother should be president. That way anyone who disagrees hates Trig, all special needs people, babies, and God.
So doctors will continue to tell patients to get their affairs in order, which they have been doing since there were doctors to provide counsel on these issues, but they won't be able to get paid for it.
So doctors will continue to tell patients to get their affairs in order, which they have been doing since there were doctors to provide counsel on these issues, but they won't be able to get paid for it.
I just wish these town halls were going better. This is the only opportunity to explain clearly to people, answer questions etc. They're not going to look this up on their own.
Obama was great in that one in Montana, explained clearly - but they're not all as open as he was.
Palin stands by 'death panel' claim on health bill
Her lies, spin, half-truth, mis-quote whatever you want to call it have been disproven, does she apologize or amend her statement?
Of course not, she gives common sense and the truth the middle finger, all to refuse admitting her lie.
Please read this article carefully, stop believing lies and propaganda concearning "end of life" counseling.
Many people need this service and it's ultimately selfish and stupid to deny people these services simply to prop up a political agenda!
Palin stands by 'death panel' claim on health bill - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090813/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_end_of_life - broken link)
What you don't seem to understand is that people are only calling these 'death panels' to get people's attention. Nobody thinks that the government will 'pull the plug' on anyone. What these people are talking about is rationing. What people are talking about is the health care payer, i.e. the government if Obama has his way, trying to decide what care will be covered and for whom because of limited resources. When you cover so many more people as is being proposed the resources per person will have to decline. That's why they are discussing 'life value' formulas that may weight a younger person's life as having more value than an older person's life.
That's why Obama made his statement about not covering the operation but covering the pain killers. One could assume he was talking about things such as hip or knee replacements. However, this kind of thinking could also be applied to a cancer operation or expensive chemo/radiation treatment that may extend someone's life for 3 to 5 years. When looking at rationing health care, does it really make sense to to extend someone's life to 85 instead of having them die at 82? Probably not. Just cover the pain medication and leave it at that.
I just wish these town halls were going better. This is the only opportunity to explain clearly to people, answer questions etc. They're not going to look this up on their own.
Obama was great in that one in Montana, explained clearly - but they're not all as open as he was.
Obama was asked only one tough question and he did not answer it. Obama is always saying that he is not going to subsidize a government plan meaning that he will not allow it to run at a loss. He says that will allow private insurance companies to compete. What he leaves completely out is the fact that a private company cannot compete with a non-profit company.
One guy asked Obama specifically how private insurance companies will be able to compete with a government non-profit insurance plan. He spent over half of his answer going over his non-subsidized argument which had nothing to do with what was asked. The closest he came to answering the question was when he said proposals were being worked on that would allow the private industry compete with the non-profit but he never explained what was being considered or how it might be done. Also, Obama wanted this passed by now! He wanted it done by the end of July and they are still working on proposals that will allow private industry to survive! What the heck. The bottom line is that Obama won't answer the question. He won't tell you the truth. Private industry will not be able to compete.
Also, Obama is always saying that you can keep your current plan if you like it. Of course how are you going to keep your plan if your employer stops providing it because her employees can now go into the government plan? How are you going to keep your plan if your insurance company goes out of business because it cannot compete with the government plan? The answer is simple. You won't be able to keep your current plan. Obama knows this. He has said that a government plan will lead to single payer government health insurance over time.
Then you come in here telling us that Obama was great. He explained things clearly. He was 'open'. No, my friend. He did not tell you what his plan was. He bobbed and weaved, juked and jived, mis-directed and obfuscated. He was not clear at all but he was very clear to many by what he refused to say.
The only thing he was clear about were his platitudes like 'everyone should be covered' and 'health care costs need to be controlled', etc. Those things he was clear about were things that pretty much everyone agrees with. But those problems could be addressed without introducing a non-profit government plan. Obama won't tell you that either because he wants a single payer goverment plan for reasons other than addressing the issues everyone can agree on.
- Reel
Last edited by Reelist in Atlanta; 08-16-2009 at 04:07 AM..
Obama was asked only one tough question and he did not answer it. Obama is always saying that he is not going to subsidize a government plan meaning that he will not allow it to run at a loss. He says that will allow private insurance companies to compete. What he leaves completely out is the fact that a private company cannot compete with a non-profit company.
One guy asked Obama specifically how private insurance companies will be able to compete with a government non-profit insurance plan. He spent over half of his answer going over his non-subsidized argument which had nothing to do with what was asked. The closest he came to answering the question was when he said proposals were being worked on that would allow the private industry compete with the non-profit but he never explained what was being considered or how it might be done. Also, Obama wanted this passed by now! He wanted it done by the end of July and they are still working on proposals that will allow private industry to survive! What the heck. The bottom line is that Obama won't answer the question. He won't tell you the truth. Private industry will not be able to compete.
Also, Obama is always saying that you can keep your current plan if you like it. Of course how are you going to keep your plan if your employer stops providing it because her employees can now go into the government plan? How are you going to keep your plan if your insurance company goes out of business because it cannot compete with the government plan? The answer is simple. You won't be able to keep your current plan. Obama knows this. He has said that a government plan will lead to single payer government health insurance over time.
Then you come in here telling us that Obama was great. He explained things clearly. He was 'open'. No, my friend. He did not tell you what his plan was. He bobbed and weaved, juked and jived, mis-directed and obfuscated. He was not clear at all but he was very clear to many by what he refused to say.
The only thing he was clear about were his platitudes like 'everyone should be covered' and 'health care costs need to be controlled', etc. Those things he was clear about were things that pretty much everyone agrees with. But those problems could be addressed without introducing a non-profit government plan. Obama won't tell you that either because he wants a single payer goverment plan for reasons other than addressing the issues everyone can agree on.
- Reel
Wah wah wah
"""Also, Obama is always saying that you can keep your current plan if you like it. Of course how are you going to keep your plan if your employer stops providing it because her employees can now go into the government plan? How are you going to keep your plan if your insurance company goes out of business because it cannot compete with the government plan? ""
Yes, people can keep the plan they have ...won't it be nice to have a bloody CHOICE!!!
If your employer stops providing it because most of the employees see the UHC as CHEAPER than the one they have so what?
YOU can always go out and buy your health insurance on your own.
Why would insurance companies go out of business?
That's just another stupid scare tactic....
ALL Republicans would be buying insurance from their gods and that will keep them in business.
The ONLY people trying to take anything away from their fellow Americans are the repub slobs who want the huge insurance companies to have a monopoly on health insurance.
Obama was asked only one tough question and he did not answer it. Obama is always saying that he is not going to subsidize a government plan meaning that he will not allow it to run at a loss. He says that will allow private insurance companies to compete. What he leaves completely out is the fact that a private company cannot compete with a non-profit company.
One guy asked Obama specifically how private insurance companies will be able to compete with a government non-profit insurance plan. He spent over half of his answer going over his non-subsidized argument which had nothing to do with what was asked. The closest he came to answering the question was when he said proposals were being worked on that would allow the private industry compete with the non-profit but he never explained what was being considered or how it might be done. Also, Obama wanted this passed by now! He wanted it done by the end of July and they are still working on proposals that will allow private industry to survive! What the heck. The bottom line is that Obama won't answer the question. He won't tell you the truth. Private industry will not be able to compete.
Also, Obama is always saying that you can keep your current plan if you like it. Of course how are you going to keep your plan if your employer stops providing it because her employees can now go into the government plan? How are you going to keep your plan if your insurance company goes out of business because it cannot compete with the government plan? The answer is simple. You won't be able to keep your current plan. Obama knows this. He has said that a government plan will lead to single payer government health insurance over time.
Then you come in here telling us that Obama was great. He explained things clearly. He was 'open'. No, my friend. He did not tell you what his plan was. He bobbed and weaved, juked and jived, mis-directed and obfuscated. He was not clear at all but he was very clear to many by what he refused to say.
The only thing he was clear about were his platitudes like 'everyone should be covered' and 'health care costs need to be controlled', etc. Those things he was clear about were things that pretty much everyone agrees with. But those problems could be addressed without introducing a non-profit government plan. Obama won't tell you that either because he wants a single payer goverment plan for reasons other than addressing the issues everyone can agree on.
- Reel
You really didn't watch the whole thing did you? Or were you too busy screaming to actually hear anything? UPS and FedEx compete with the post office, and come out on top. I don't see how competition in a capitalist market can ever be considered a bad thing. Do you think the insurance companies will just go broke? Do you think they're hurting really bad now? Come on those guys are making TOO much money off of us and our (lack of) health, thats the problem. But when you have a public option, health insurance companies have to adapt to compete, which only helps the consumer (thats us)
I really don't know what you were watching, but it was probably on Fox News, which would explain the apparent ignorance as you most likely only saw what they wanted you to see. Obama explained everything perfectly, struck down the lies that conservatives have been pushing, and did it all in a mature and poised manner. I think thats the part you really don't like, someone could actually hear what they had to say!
What you don't seem to understand is that people are only calling these 'death panels' to get people's attention. Nobody thinks that the government will 'pull the plug' on anyone. What these people are talking about is rationing.
You haven't read this thread or all the other ones about these "death panels", have you? Many people, at least on this board, actually think that, according to their posts.
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UPS and FedEx compete with the post office, and come out on top. I don't see how competition in a capitalist market can ever be considered a bad thing. Do you think the insurance companies will just go broke? Do you think they're hurting really bad now? Come on those guys are making TOO much money off of us and our (lack of) health, thats the problem. But when you have a public option, health insurance companies have to adapt to compete, which only helps the consumer (thats us) 