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Old 12-22-2009, 06:56 PM
 
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1. Tax those that get benefits from there companies as taxable income or allow others the same deduction.2. Alklow insurnace companies to sell across state lines;increasing true competitiveness. Whatever you do ;do not let the feds establish payments to a few sates different than others;chnage medicare to allow certain sates to have larger payments and continue larger advanatge plans or the feds to pay their medicaid from the general fund while leaving others to be paid by state tax increases. Allow no other mopneys to be added to healthcare bnills. The prok is getting to be the staple of all democrtic bills. The demcraqts are dividing the areas of the country by only representing thier sates and their is a big payback comihng because its now the way things work in washington.Talk about special ihnterest ;its worse than ever as they devide people into groups by states.
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Old 12-22-2009, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I must be one of those evil-protect-big-business Republicans, because I don't feel insurance companies should be forced to absorb all of the risk of the policy-holders. They need some way to defray their costs. They shouldn't have to sell the same policy for the same cost to everyone.
No one said anything about one policy for all, and the Republicans were FOR removal of caps and pre-existing condition clauses, so I guess you are NOT one of those Republicans. You must be something else than that.
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Old 12-22-2009, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Do you really think that it is going to be fixed any time SOON! Who exactly is going to fix it.
We need a thorough and honest assessment as to what is causing high health care costs, and then set about to remedy them.

Accusing doctors of cutting off people's feet to drive up costs, or calling insurance companies greedy and evil is not productive, but that is the type of rhetoric we get from Washington instead of finding the truth behind health care costs.
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Old 12-22-2009, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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The bill that will be signed is a far cry from socialized medicine. Medicare is a closer example of socialized medicine. To be sure there are many things that need to be corrected in Medicare, but when you see that the overhead administrative cost of Medicare is less than 2% and then see that private Ins overhead cost is 30% or greater, I think there is some obvious benefit to the Medicare platform. Down the road, this country will realize that it is in the best interest of all of us to remove the profit incentive from the care side of our health problems. The profit incentive should be in the innovation and prevention side of the issue. The care side should be a cost plus a reasonable and controlled profit system, similar to public utilities.
I see... The government takes away "the profit incentive" from the private sector? Isn't that a form of communist-socialist idea? That sounds exactly like socialized medicine to me, which would include free healthcare to illegal immigrants and their dependents
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Old 12-22-2009, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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So 2000 to 2006 they didnt why?
How does the fact that they didn't make these proposals less valid?

There are many reasons, 9/11, war on two fronts, terrorism. The plate was rather full.
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Old 12-22-2009, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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So 2000 to 2006 they didnt why?
In reality, 2000 to 2006 is a very short period of time compared to nearly five decades of a Democrat-controlled Congress.

But to be fair, both political sides in power benefit from not doing anything about it. The same can be said about pork in Congress, military contracting, and the rest (they all benefit from these things).
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Old 12-22-2009, 07:09 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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I used to sell health insurance. I believe health insurance companies are a major part of the problem. I think this bill will make that part of the problem worse. It will only adds government on top of insurance companies...how will that be better?

I currently do not have insurance. I belong to a heath care sharing group. We share the costs of our bills. I have done this now for about 18 years and it is much less expensive than insurance, it is much more ethical than insurance, and it is much faster than insurance.

Tort reform should be part of any reform. Without some type of legal protection for doctors the cost will continue to climb at a crazy rate. And some doctors will just refuse to do the more risky procedures.

Personal responsibility needs to be part of reform. We all need to take ownership of our health problems.

I would start by rewarding doctors who refuse to work with any insurance companies a high level of legal protection. If they are willing to see only self-pay patients who agree to hold the doctors harmless for problems the cost of the procedures would decrease greatly.

That's a start. There is a lot more to this issue. Expensive in-hospital care is another part of the issue.
Your post makes sense to me. Why havent any of these ideas surfaced before?
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Old 12-22-2009, 07:11 PM
 
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I believe when a government forces citizens, against their will, out of private self-insured plans and into whatever plan the HHS deems appropriate under penalty of fines or jail, that is indeed government run healthcare. When the government runs it, it is socialized.

IIRC, I heard a figure yesterday that between the banking industry, auto industry, and complete takeover of the student loan program that nearly 30% of our economy has already been taken over by the government. Now they want an additional 1/6th?

Face it, if the government wasn't bilking the public for start-up money so it could run all of healthcare we wouldn't have to be paying premiums in the form of involuntary taxes into it four full years before it takes effect.

How many of you would agree to pay property taxes on a home that you could not hold title to or occupy for four years? Would you agree to pay taxes and registration/licensing fees on a car that you could not possess or drive for 4 years?

So why is this acceptable with government controlled healthcare?
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Old 12-22-2009, 07:15 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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So why is Medicare in the red and why does it have $40 trillion in unfunded liabilities?

One reason insurance companies have so much overhead is they need to show a profit, and since they cannot sell across state lines they have to sift thru 50+ different sets of regulations, which requires offices and managers for each state.
Medicare needs a lot of cleaning up of waste and abuse. That is very clear. The Obama Administration is very serious about the need to do that, it has been ignored for too long. The bill working thru the Congress addresses that problem to the tune of 500 billion. This plan is ambitious to say the least, but doable without degrading coverage. They could probably do that just in the Advantage plans. That, however, will be difficult since Dems and Repubs both get substantial funding from the Ins Cos. But there is plenty of waste and fraud that can be cleaned up that don't have so much political baggage.
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Old 12-22-2009, 07:15 PM
 
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Your post makes sense to me. Why havent any of these ideas surfaced before?
These ideas have surfaced before. The minority party wrote proposals and amendments to include these items and others but the Dems. never let them see the light of day.

We are being steam-rolled by a 7 Trillion pound train called corruption in the name of governmental grab for power and greed. WAKE UP!

This has absolutely nothing to do with healthcare. It has everything to do with setting up the foundation for a single-payer Socialized Medicine system.

You have the rights to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness; government does not have the right to take that away. Yet, with control of medical care they will.
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