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We need single payer health care. Should not be a politics talking point , ether side. It works for the rest of the civilized world , it will work here ! Get it done ( will happen at some point anyway ) , then move on to the things that are different amoung Parties. Alls fair in our views , except health Care. Why can't we get behond it ?....we need too, for the good of the People.
I believe when a government forces citizens, against their will, out of private self-insured plans and into whatever plan the HHS deems appropriate under penalty of fines or jail, that is indeed government run healthcare. When the government runs it, it is socialized.
Which country are you talking about, because nothing like that is being proposed here in US?
Did I say Socilized ? I guess I should have...its not a dirty word. Listen to Bernnie Sanders , he is the only one thats sane in this battle that should not be a battle.
Which country are you talking about, because nothing like that is being proposed here in US?
I know you read all 2100 pages of the bill but you must have missed the part where HHS has the authority to dictate the minimum requirements of health insurance plans. Therefore if a person has a plan that does not meet their standards they will be forced to switch, and perhaps pay more.
If folks do not have health insurance they will be fined, if they do not pay the fines and get insurance they can be jailed.
I know you read all 2100 pages of the bill but you must have missed the part where HHS has the authority to dictate the minimum requirements of health insurance plans. Therefore if a person has a plan that does not meet their standards they will be forced to switch, and perhaps pay more.
It's too late to continue the misinformation / fear campaign, because the truth has already slipped out.
You said people will be forced to switch out of private plans into something else. Well, there won't be any government plans, so all plans will be private.
bull competion has alway brought costs down.economies of scale means nothing to me what the heck does that mean? i own my business 30 yrs. i know that competion keeps my prices low and in line. it works.period
Economies of scale means that having a very large pool sharing costs, makes health care more affordable for everyone. It's a basic principle in economics. A truly competitive market would put the health insurance industry out of business overnight. That's why they fight against it so hard.
It's too late to continue the misinformation / fear campaign, because the truth has already slipped out.
You said people will be forced to switch out of private plans into something else. Well, there won't be any government plans, so all plans will be private.
Mmm nice try the government will dictate the minimum requirements of insurance if a particular policy does not meet that minimum that policy will no longer be allowed and people will have to switch to another policy which could cost more.
I know you guys desperately what to run away form this thing. You can't you own it. And of course I never mentioned a government plan but you guys need to make stuff up because that is all you have left. So sad.
Medicare needs a lot of cleaning up of waste and abuse. That is very clear. The Obama Administration is very serious about the need to do that, it has been ignored for too long. The bill working thru the Congress addresses that problem to the tune of 500 billion. This plan is ambitious to say the least, but doable without degrading coverage. They could probably do that just in the Advantage plans. That, however, will be difficult since Dems and Repubs both get substantial funding from the Ins Cos. But there is plenty of waste and fraud that can be cleaned up that don't have so much political baggage.
If its 0bama saying it, i have no faith that he either means it,or can muster the gumption to do anything about it. We just had democrats praising the inclusion of age 55 to Medicare, it does not sound like they care much at all to fix it, the seem satisfied to just grow it.
Assume that tort reform and selling across state lines lowers the OPERATING COST of insurers and doctors.
What about the RETAIL PRICE (premiums) to consumers?
Do you think for one second that insurance companies are going to pass on their lower costs and lower premiums? Keep in mind that competition is a moot point due to their exemption.
Assume that tort reform and selling across state lines lowers the OPERATING COST of insurers and doctors.
What about the RETAIL PRICE (premiums) to consumers?
Do you think for one second that insurance companies are going to pass on their lower costs and lower premiums? Keep in mind that competition is a moot point due to their exemption.
It is a little more complicated than you may think.
"Still, some health economists question whether breaking up big insurance companies with federal antitrust laws will help consumers.
"What you may find is that it's the opposite — that you break them up and they can't bargain down prices and, therefore, while they're competing at the margin, they're all competing at a higher level of premium than you had before," says Austin Frakt of Boston University's School of Public Health. "That's certainly possible.""
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