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Old 01-22-2010, 11:48 AM
 
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If they throw 50 million dollar ad campaign to get their boy in Congress, they will want some serious pork in return.
It wouldn't be pork, it would be caviar.

Caveat Piscis!
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Old 01-22-2010, 11:52 AM
 
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And churches too, i believe.

It's time to pass the EmployeeFreeChoice Act to level the playing field with the "big boys" since the "union" was marginalized a long time ago. If a "corporation" can have First Amendment Rights, so can anyone inside working within that corporation.
How will doing away with the secret ballot expand an individual employee's freedom of speech?
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Old 01-22-2010, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Thumb of Michigan
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How will doing away with the secret ballot expand an individual employee's freedom of speech?
While i get the gist of your question; let's just say there are "obstacles" that tend to make the dialogue a bit confusing...

Here -- Employee Free Choice Act: Questions and Answers (http://www.aflcio.org/joinaunion/voiceatwork/efca/qna.cfm - broken link)

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Does the Employee Free Choice Act take away so-called secret ballot elections?

No. The Employee Free Choice Act simply provides workers another option—majority sign-up. “Elections” may sound like a more democratic approach, but the current NLRB process is nothing like political elections. In NLRB elections as currently conducted, one side has all the power. The company controls the voters’ paychecks and livelihoods and has unlimited access during the workday to propagandize against the union, while restricting pro-union supporters and denying the union any access. Weak remedies encourage companies to intimidate and coerce the voters. The Employee Free Choice Act will restore balance and allow workers a fair and free choice.


To the other poster who replied to the law change stating that it's a corporation versus "union" (more like labor) vying for control over the government. Sorry to say, it's been that way for a long time with regards to history within and beyond our country's....
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Old 01-22-2010, 12:05 PM
 
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Here -- Employee Free Choice Act: Questions and Answers (http://www.aflcio.org/joinaunion/voiceatwork/efca/qna.cfm - broken link)

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Does the Employee Free Choice Act take away so-called secret ballot elections?

No. The Employee Free Choice Act simply provides workers another option—majority sign-up. “Elections†may sound like a more democratic approach, but the current NLRB process is nothing like political elections. In NLRB elections as currently conducted, one side has all the power. The company controls the voters’ paychecks and livelihoods and has unlimited access during the workday to propagandize against the union, while restricting pro-union supporters and denying the union any access. Weak remedies encourage companies to intimidate and coerce the voters. The Employee Free Choice Act will restore balance and allow workers a fair and free choice.
And who decides which option the employees will enjoy? Not the employer. Not the employees. Sounds like bye-bye to the secret ballot to me.
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Old 01-22-2010, 12:48 PM
 
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Bill of Rights | LII / Legal Information Institute



McCain-Feingold abridged free speech. It is just that simple.
When did corporations become individuals? They are entities, not people. They do not get colonoscopies or pap smears. THEY ARE NOT PEOPLE and it's that simple!
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Old 01-22-2010, 01:11 PM
 
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When did corporations become individuals? They are entities, not people. They do not get colonoscopies or pap smears. THEY ARE NOT PEOPLE and it's that simple!
The Supreme Court didn't say Corporations were people, rather that since the 14th Amendment converted people to persons, the Supreme Court merely declared that Corporations were persons, too. Not people, persons.

Pay aten . . I say, pay attention to semantics, boy! Nice kid, but doesn't listen to a word ya say.

This is where the Supreme Court has become too "personal" to be impartial.

Probably from some qualude-twisted version of "E Pluribus Unum" - from the many stockholders, one bad motherfkr.

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Old 01-22-2010, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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I think it is funny that the left backs free speech when it is about urinating and burning our flag, but when the supreme court upholds free speeech in this case they are against it
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Old 01-22-2010, 01:25 PM
 
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I think it is funny that the left backs free speech when it is about urinating and burning our flag, but when the supreme court upholds free speeech in this case they are against it

Should be a law against corporations pis*ing fluoride into other persons' drinking water.

Look at the effect it's had on you.
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Old 01-22-2010, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I think it is funny that the left backs free speech when it is about urinating and burning our flag, but when the supreme court upholds free speeech in this case they are against it
The left is just as happy about this as the right. It's everyone else who is unhappy. The middle of the road regular voting Americans are not happy.
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Old 01-22-2010, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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