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Old 01-30-2010, 11:49 AM
 
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I don't think it's about personal freedom or self-entitlement issues. I think it's all about ignorance, racism, and misplaced pride.

There are so many kids in the south and Appalachia with teeth rotted by drinking Mountain Dew that it was a scandal noted in the press. There is nothing quite like kids crying with toothaches that spells personal freedom.

It's not about socialism or communism, those are simply the new N words being used by vicious politicians and vested interests to poison the well for our new president and maintain their fat profits under the status quo.

It's about the quality of life for all Americans and providing basic dignity for one and all, not just those who can afford it or those will generous employers.
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Old 01-30-2010, 11:49 AM
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Location: NC/SC Border Patrol
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How is the health care "SYSTEM" being proposed socialistic OR communistic?

It is the continuation of the status quo where insurance companies can deny people coverage, they can deny claims, they can raise your premiums as much as they like, etc.

The health care bill doesn't change the system at all. It's still fee for service, it's great for the rich and sucks for the poor.

We don't have a health care SYSTEM, we have a health care MARKET! If you have money...step right up! It's the best "system" in the world. If you're poor, take a number and we'll think about treating you.
It is run by the government. Our government is not supposed to be running anything but the government. People can choose which insurance company they want to deal with or they can form a co-op with friends and choose none of them at all. My husband worked for a national comany that found out it was cheaper to be self-insured.

There should be no health care bill in the United States of America Congress. The constitution does not allow that. Is is socialism pure and simple and we are not yet a socialist state and some of us are going to see that it does not happen.
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Old 01-30-2010, 11:50 AM
 
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Key words here are "Government helps start up." I said you would not understand and you certainly do not. Health care should be a personal thing and the government should have nothing to do with it. I have read many books. I worked in the library for 28 years. Maybe you need to read some and make better choices on what you read if that is all you know.

Guess you must not be old enough to remember Russia and its communism taking over many nations. Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. Just don't take my grandchildren into communism with you. I will fight it with all my being as long as I live and anyone who knows anything about communism will do the same. It is an evil thing.
How did you survive in that communistic Library system. Getting books for free how disgusting.
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Old 01-30-2010, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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I don't think it's about personal freedom or self-entitlement issues. I think it's all about ignorance, racism, and misplaced pride.

There are so many kids in the south and Appalachia with teeth rotted by drinking Mountain Dew that it was a scandal noted in the press. There is nothing quite like kids crying with toothaches that spells personal freedom.

It's not about socialism or communism, those are simply the new N words being used by vicious politicians and vested interests to poison the well for our new president and maintain their fat profits under the status quo.

It's about the quality of life for all Americans and providing basic dignity for one and all, not just those who can afford it or those will generous employers.


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It is run by the government. Our government is not supposed to be running anything but the government. People can choose which insurance company they want to deal with or they can form a co-op with friends and choose none of them at all. My husband worked for a national comany that found out it was cheaper to be self-insured.

There should be no health care bill in the United States of America Congress. The constitution does not allow that. Is is socialism pure and simple and we are not yet a socialist state and some of us are going to see that it does not happen.
Show me where it's run by the government.

If you're talking about single-payer or socialized medicine, you're right but that is NOT THE SYSTEM BEING PROPOSED BY CONGRESS!!

IT JUST HELPS PROVIDE SUBSIDIES FOR PEOPLE WHO CANNOT AFFORD PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE!! That is it, that is all!! The insurance companies maintain their fat profits and they can keep denying people's claims if they become very sick

It is just an expansion of private health insurance, nothing more, nothing less. Government FUNDS will flow to PRIVATE FOR PROFIT companies. That is not socialism or communism.

It would help if you actually knew what the heck socialism is.

Many people today don't choose what insurance company they have, their EMPLOYER chooses the health insurance company. Unless you're lucky enough to have an employer that lets you choose from a wide variety of health insurance companies...you don't pick much.
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Old 01-30-2010, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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How did you survive in that communistic Library system. Getting books for free how disgusting.
He he, you noticed that too?

Gotta love someone who worked in a library funded by TAX DOLLARS crying over government providing something beneficial for the people. THE HORROR!!



Kinda reminds me of, "Get Government out of my Medicare!!" Freakin' dunces.
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Old 01-30-2010, 12:00 PM
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Default Some of us do not put our faith in money.

This is the scariest presidency that Christians have ever faced, and from the looks of the polls, the Christians aren't voting Christian values. Especially Christians who are are affiliated with the Republican AND the Democratic parties. We have never been more desperate than now for God to heal our land. We all need to be on our knees. Do you believe we can take God at His word? Call upon His name, then stand back and watch His wonders to behold. This scripture gives us, as Christians, ownership of this land and the ability to call upon God to heal it. I challenge you to do so.

This presidency is the scariest I remember in my lifetime. He is determined to make this a secular and an Islamic nation and to remake us in the image of socialist Europe.

2 Chronicles 7:14....."If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."

During WWII, there was an advisor to Great Britain's Prime Minister, Winston Churchill who
organized a group of people who dropped what they were doing every night at a prescribed
hour for one minute to collectively pray for the safety of England, its people and peace. This
had an amazing effect as bombing stopped.

Someone said if people really understood the full extent of the power we have available through prayer, we might be speechless. Our prayers are the most powerful assets we have.
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Old 01-30-2010, 12:04 PM
 
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This is the scariest presidency that Christians have ever faced, and
from the looks of the polls, the Christians aren't voting Christian
values. Especially Christians who are are affiliated with the
Republican AND the Democratic parties .We have never been more
desperate than now for God to heal our land. We all need to be on our
knees. Do you believe we can take God at His word? Call upon His name,
then stand back and watch His wonders to behold. This scripture gives
us, as Christians, ownership of this land and the ability to call upon
God to heal it. I challenge you to do so.

This presidency is the scariest I remember in my lifetime. He is
determined to make this a secular and an Islamic nation and to remake
us in the image of socialist Europe

2 Chronicles 7:14.....'If my people, which are called by my name, shall
humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face and turn from their
wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin,
and will heal their land.'

During WWII, there was an advisor to Great Britain's Prime Minister
Winston Churchill who organized a group of people who dropped what they
were doing every night at a prescribed hour for one minute to
collectively pray for the safety of England, its people and peace. This
had an amazing effect as bombing stopped.

Someone said if people really understood the full extent of the power
we have available through prayer, we might be speechless. Our prayers
are the most powerful assets we have.
Okay, so explain how Obama can make this nation both a secular and Islamic nation at the same time.
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Old 01-30-2010, 12:06 PM
 
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It is run by the government. Our government is not supposed to be running anything but the government. People can choose which insurance company they want to deal with or they can form a co-op with friends and choose none of them at all. My husband worked for a national comany that found out it was cheaper to be self-insured.

There should be no health care bill in the United States of America Congress. The constitution does not allow that. Is is socialism pure and simple and we are not yet a socialist state and some of us are going to see that it does not happen.
Please tell us you don't cash in your Social Security checks or utilize Medicare.
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Old 01-30-2010, 12:09 PM
 
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This is the scariest presidency that Christians have ever faced, and from the looks of the polls, the Christians aren't voting Christian values. Especially Christians who are are affiliated with the Republican AND the Democratic parties. We have never been more desperate than now for God to heal our land. We all need to be on our knees. Do you believe we can take God at His word? Call upon His name, then stand back and watch His wonders to behold. This scripture gives us, as Christians, ownership of this land and the ability to call upon God to heal it. I challenge you to do so.

This presidency is the scariest I remember in my lifetime. He is determined to make this a secular and an Islamic nation and to remake us in the image of socialist Europe.

2 Chronicles 7:14....."If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."

During WWII, there was an advisor to Great Britain's Prime Minister, Winston Churchill who
organized a group of people who dropped what they were doing every night at a prescribed
hour for one minute to collectively pray for the safety of England, its people and peace. This
had an amazing effect as bombing stopped.

Someone said if people really understood the full extent of the power we have available through prayer, we might be speechless. Our prayers are the most powerful assets we have.
Define "Christians". Are Catholics Christians? How about Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, Unitarians, etc?
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Old 01-30-2010, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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NCN, rather than being cowardly and repping me and saying, "Poppycock" you can put that response out here for everyone to see.

If you have a problem with what I'm saying, feel free to post some unbiased data that proves me wrong.

The health care bill being proposed is not single payer or socialized medicine. It just expands private health insurance by providing government $$ in the form of subsidies to help people who can't afford private health insurance obtain it.

Now I know the people on Fox News, the GOP, and all the other propagandists out there will tell you it's a "government takeover" of heath care but it helps to do your own research.
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