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Old 05-29-2010, 07:03 AM
 
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"Disagree" means you say "I don't like gays, but whatever, it's none of my business. Just as long as they stay away from me, I don't care."

"Hate" is "Gays are an abomination to God. I actively campaign against any recognition of them as people. Though they have families with kids, I do not want those kids to have any sort of benefits whatsoever because their parents are gay. If somebody is dying and loves someone of the same sex, and has been with them for years, they should not be allowed to stay at their bedside because their relationship is sick and wrong."

So, yes, the Family Research Council HATES gays and their families, sorry. Which clashes with Jesus' message of loving ones neighbor and turning the other cheek and judging not. More like the Pharisees, if you ask me.

Jesus also said------" go and sin no more"
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Old 05-29-2010, 07:07 AM
 
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Originally Posted by UntamedOhioan View Post
"Disagree" means you say "I don't like gays, but whatever, it's none of my business. Just as long as they stay away from me, I don't care."

"Hate" is "Gays are an abomination to God. I actively campaign against any recognition of them as people. Though they have families with kids, I do not want those kids to have any sort of benefits whatsoever because their parents are gay. If somebody is dying and loves someone of the same sex, and has been with them for years, they should not be allowed to stay at their bedside because their relationship is sick and wrong."

So, yes, the Family Research Council HATES gays and their families, sorry. Which clashes with Jesus' message of loving ones neighbor and turning the other cheek and judging not. More like the Pharisees, if you ask me.
The most un-Christlike people are the self avowed Christians. All trying to elbow their way to the front of the line to heaven.
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Old 05-29-2010, 07:15 AM
 
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Show me an active duty military poll, not one of your msnbc cry baby polls.
I've only asked about 5 times now.
Who cares what the public thinks when CIVIL RIGHTS are at stake? First of all, the lowest I've seen was 56%, the highest 70%. A majority either way.

Second of all, I am proud to be a cry baby. I am proud to cry for people wanting to trample on the civil rights endowed by our constitution. I will cry any day over people wanting to turn this country into a minority-rule dictatorship, and I will be proud over those tears.

The days when hate-filled people have their rights given over gay soldiers who only want to do an honest day's work will end soon, and FREE AMERICA shall triumph. And if it took "cry babies" like me for FREEDOM to prevail, then so be it.
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Old 05-29-2010, 07:18 AM
 
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"Disagree" means you say "I don't like gays, but whatever, it's none of my business. Just as long as they stay away from me, I don't care."

"Hate" is "Gays are an abomination to God. I actively campaign against any recognition of them as people. Though they have families with kids, I do not want those kids to have any sort of benefits whatsoever because their parents are gay. If somebody is dying and loves someone of the same sex, and has been with them for years, they should not be allowed to stay at their bedside because their relationship is sick and wrong."

So, yes, the Family Research Council HATES gays and their families, sorry. Which clashes with Jesus' message of loving ones neighbor and turning the other cheek and judging not. More like the Pharisees, if you ask me.
Anybody who opposes gays in the military is filled with hate, whether they realize it or not. There can be no intelligent debate on this issue.
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Old 05-29-2010, 07:30 AM
 
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Just because I don't want gays roaming around free in the military doesn't mean I hate them. I'm experienced enough to know that it's the wrong environment for that.
I don't want illegal aliens in the military either, but I don't hate them either.
Way to many uninformed emotional people on this subject, like the lady earlier that posted she knew gays serving openly was right because her husband's cousin's nephew's brother-in-law told her so.
I guess I'll look her up and tell her how to raise her kids because I've seen my dog raise puppies and now I know all about parenting...
If you were referring to me I said that my HUSBAND served, my SISTER IN LAW served, my BROTHER IN LAW served, my FATHER served and many of my NEIGHBORS are currently serving. That is hardly my husbands cousins nephews etc. etc......

And if the closest you have ever come to parenting is watching your dog -- well that answers quite a lot of questions doesn't it?
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Old 05-29-2010, 07:47 AM
 
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And don't forget, this is an important part of the base of today's Republican Party. They're lunatics.



Â*FRC: DADT Repeal Will Increase Gay Rape | News | Advocate.com
More distorted junk "research" from the religious-right fear and hate mongering anti-gay lobby group FRC?

Does anyone really take the FRC (aka "We hate gays!") seriously?

Family Research Council pushes bogus report supporting DADT

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In what has to be a desperate attempt to derail the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell, Family Research Council Senior Fellow for Policy Studies Peter Sprigg held a phone conference today with several reporters.
During this phone conference, he referred to what he called the "first-ever study of 'homosexual assault' in the military."

What? Did you expect anything different from a spokesperson of an organization which says that it was created in part to fight the alleged "homosexual agenda?"

Rather than go into detail about the "report," I would rather give two very good reasons as to why its validity should be doubted.

It's not that Sprigg's nonsense echoes a report by discredited researcher Paul Cameron, who earlier claimed that gays are four to seven more times likely to rape their fellow servicemen. Cameron also claimed that some perpetrators of heterosexual sex assaults can be termed as gay because apparently some gay men "like women too."

That offhand, sly referral to Cameron's lies isn't the reason why Sprigg's report should be lining birdcages. Read more....
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Old 05-29-2010, 08:04 AM
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gay ppl are already serving in all branches of the military. Let them serve proudly and without fear. Ppl in the military by their very nature are mentally and physically stronger and should be able to resist any sexual advances just as straight men are not raping women who serve.
But our female soldiers ARE being sexually harassed and assaulted by the straight men they are serving with, especially when they are out on deployment in countries like Iraq where prostitution is outlawed because of Muslim law. So the straight male soldiers have no outlet for sexual release. In countries like Iraq and Afghanistan, our female soldiers are afraid to use the latrines at night for fear of being raped. Some of these female soldiers died of dehydration because they were refusing to drink liquids late in the day. What rock have you been living under?

There are countless reports of these assaults and outrageously, it's been going on for years. Of the news links I've provided, the oldest article dates back to 2004. Anyway, this is one of the reasons that I would never want to serve in the military, nor would I want any female I cared about to serve in the military.

t r u t h o u t | Military Hides Cause of Women Soldiers' Deaths

US Female Soldiers Raped by Male Comrades Have Trouble Seeking Justice

Rapists in the ranks - Los Angeles Times

Sexualized Violence Against Female Soldiers Going Largely Unpunished - The NewStandard

Rape and the Military : NPR

Reported Cases of Sexual Assault in Military Rise : NPR

The Nation: The Plight of Women Soldiers : NPR
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Old 05-29-2010, 08:18 AM
 
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But our female soldiers ARE being sexually harassed and assaulted by the straight men they are serving with, especially when they are out on deployment in countries like Iraq where prostitution is outlawed because of Muslim law.

Interesting, but the solution isn't a separate society or organization. Women will always be at a risk for rape from men.

With respect to gay soldiers, gay soldiers would most likely have more chance of being raped by straight soldiers than the other way around. "Gay rape" happens in prison all the time, by men who are "straight" when women are available.

Using the "Family Research Institute's" reasoning, then, since straight men can't keep seem to function without raping everything in sight, perhaps they should be forbidden from serving in the military?
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Old 05-29-2010, 09:02 AM
 
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Interesting, but the solution isn't a separate society or organization. Women will always be at a risk for rape from men.

With respect to gay soldiers, gay soldiers would most likely have more chance of being raped by straight soldiers than the other way around. "Gay rape" happens in prison all the time, by men who are "straight" when women are available.

Using the "Family Research Institute's" reasoning, then, since straight men can't keep seem to function without raping everything in sight, perhaps they should be forbidden from serving in the military?
Speaking of the FRI...

Paul Cameron claims gays will rape willy-nilly if allowed to serve openly in the military
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Cameron claims that the data he "compiled" shows that gays are four to seven more times likely to rape their fellow servicemen. He even says that some perpetrators of heterosexual sex assaults can be termed as gay because apparently some gay men "like women too."
I get the feeling these people think gay people are the cause of tsunamis, earth quakes, famine.... and maybe even lost socks.
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Old 05-29-2010, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I would bet the farm that few, if any, of those sexual assaults committed by gays were on other gays. Otherwise, why the need for assault? Just go somewhere and do it in private. I'm not saying that the author's fears are well founded--only that it seems to be a well-researched article based on actual facts.
Are you for real? You think all gays want to have sex with all other gays? Or they find any man attractive? This level of ignorance is astonishing.

Just because men and women have sex does not mean that every man wants to have sex with any woman or vice versa.
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