Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Gang members, guns, robberies...streets are quiet.
Someone gets shot and look at all the people on the streets...ministers, clergy, righteous and indignant neighbors.
My thought...if all these people were out and about, keeping eyes on the streets, maybe the people breaking the laws would think twice about doing that. Maybe if people tried to HELP those that needed help getting on their feet, things like this wouldn't happen. Maybe if they were there to HELP instead of PROTEST, the area would benefit.
Well said....to go little further, Maybe if the Victim had good education, Maybe if the Victim's parents had good education and a right living environment these things will not happen. "It takes a village to raise a child...."
"The burden of proof imposed on the prosecution and the presumption of innocence granted every defendant are based on the "Due Process" Clauses of the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments." Burden of Proof and Presumption of Innocence
"The concept of the presumption of innocence is one of the most basic in our system of justice. However, in so many words, it is not codified in the text of the Constitution. This basic right comes to us, like many things, from English jurisprudence, and has been a part of that system for so long, that it is considered common law. The concept is embodied in several provisions of the Constitution, however, such as the right to remain silent and the right to a jury." Things That Are Not In the U.S. Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net
All these points are of course, correct, but what you have omitted is that all these words are in regard to the legal system and only the legal system.
They do not apply to reality. If I shoot a person on the street, I have committed that crime, I am guilty of that crime. Only in the courtroom am I presumed innocent until proven.
So many people hide behind the legal side of things, and ignore the reality. It is why the school systems are pushing critical thinking so hard.
All these points are of course, correct, but what you have omitted is that all these words are in regard to the legal system and only the legal system.
They do not apply to reality. If I shoot a person on the street, I have committed that crime, I am guilty of that crime. Only in the courtroom am I presumed innocent until proven.
So many people hide behind the legal side of things, and ignore the reality. It is why the school systems are pushing critical thinking so hard.
Well, yeah, but a cop obviously is not completely independent of the criminal justice system.
And, of course, no one is "innocent" if they are guilty. "Innocent" means "innocent." We just don't presume guilt over innocence, either in the court or in ethical thought, IMO.
Well, yeah, but a cop obviously is not completely independent of the criminal justice system.
And, of course, no one is "innocent" if they are guilty. "Innocent" means "innocent." We just don't presume guilt over innocence, either in the court or in ethical thought, IMO.
....... and after yet another wrongly convicted North Carolinian has been freed, I'll take the presumption of innocence any day of the week.
Considering the number of cases of investigatory and proprietorial misconduct, the presumption of innocence is important.
Well said....to go little further, Maybe if the Victim had good education, Maybe if the Victim's parents had good education and a right living environment these things will not happen. "It takes a village to raise a child...."
One could also argue that even people who have all those things still wind up criminals.
Similarly, plenty of people who don't have those things do not become criminals.
__________________
When in doubt, check it out: FAQ
All these points are of course, correct, but what you have omitted is that all these words are in regard to the legal system and only the legal system.
They do not apply to reality. If I shoot a person on the street, I have committed that crime, I am guilty of that crime. Only in the courtroom am I presumed innocent until proven.
So many people hide behind the legal side of things, and ignore the reality. It is why the school systems are pushing critical thinking so hard.
True, in "reality", someone was either guilty or innocent, and even the findings of a trial won't change that. Even if the findings were wrong.
But again, "context". This was all in response to an original comment by someone that suggested that the killing of this person was justified since they were criminals anyway. In hindsight, that may or many not end up to be true. But you IN THE EYES OF THE LAW, the guy who has been convicted of nothing is innocent, so shooting him for crimes he allegedly committed is not OK.
True, in "reality", someone was either guilty or innocent, and even the findings of a trial won't change that. Even if the findings were wrong.
But again, "context". This was all in response to an original comment by someone that suggested that the killing of this person was justified since they were criminals anyway. In hindsight, that may or many not end up to be true. But you IN THE EYES OF THE LAW, the guy who has been convicted of nothing is innocent, so shooting him for crimes he allegedly committed is not OK.
It may be OK in some countries, but not this one.
Truth. And this issue is totally separate from whether or not he WAS innocent. Or from whether or not the police officer acted within the law.
Which is what those things called "investigations" and "trials" are designed to find out to the best of our human ability.
__________________
When in doubt, check it out: FAQ
That's interesting. I went back through some of the articles and couldn't find where they state exactly what time (or there abouts) the shooting occurred because the new article says the email from the "unknown Gmail account" was sent " sometime between the hours of noon and 3 p.m. on February 29". That part is confusing to me because how do you NOT know when an email was sent? They all have time stamps, right?
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
