Jesus was FAR different than most people think! (Pilate, Satan, verses)
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He did not say toss yourself into poverty by selling all your property and giving the money to the poor. He was a resistor to Roman occupation and knew he had to set up a mini government with a treasury.."Sell your property and put the money into a common purse and let those come who are in need and take what is needed".
That does not sound like the start of socialism- but the start of setting up a counter government..The guy was a revolutionary who did not appreciate his nation being run by imperial forces. He understood that his movement would need money to continue.
This concept has been adulterated by today's church with their tax free status- the state is now also religion. Church and state are one. Also .....try going to your church that excepts 10 percent of your wages...and ask them to cover your rent when you are in a bind- You will not receive a penny.
I never thought that I would rep. a post of yours but yes; you are picking up some valid points. There are many who pick these points up. The difficulty seems to be putting preconceptions aside and considering a of these points together. Jesus would indeed then be a far different figure from what most people think.
He did not say toss yourself into poverty by selling all your property and giving the money to the poor. He was a resistor to Roman occupation and knew he had to set up a mini government with a treasury.."Sell your property and put the money into a common purse and let those come who are in need and take what is needed".
That does not sound like the start of socialism- but the start of setting up a counter government..The guy was a revolutionary who did not appreciate his nation being run by imperial forces. He understood that his movement would need money to continue.
This concept has been adulterated by today's church with their tax free status- the state is now also religion. Church and state are one. Also .....try going to your church that excepts 10 percent of your wages...and ask them to cover your rent when you are in a bind- You will not receive a penny.
Jesus view of government was Gods government, but he held no intrest in setting it up on earth then, only the announcement of it soon comming. He knew humanity must first live a time without Gods government. He didnot try to set up any monetary form of government in religion other than giving from the heart as one is able and willing. And I certainly agree that todays religion has adulterated that. But not all of them, some of them really do help people in diverse ways.
I never thought that I would rep. a post of yours but yes; you are picking up some valid points. There are many who pick these points up. The difficulty seems to be putting preconceptions aside and considering a of these points together. Jesus would indeed then be a far different figure from what most people think.
Don't know what "rep a post" actually means or how it's done...but that does not matter- It sounds positive. You have to actually do some thinking to understand who and what Christ was. Kind of like putting yourself at the scene and looking around and understanding the great teacher.
For instance a man that was gentle and kind..but at the same time had a fiery temper and beat the crap out of some wanna be bankers doing business in the temple...To question for instance- what would make water come out of his abdomen after a spear poke? Sounds like he drank to much..and might have had a bit of liver damage. That's logical.
Also- who reported that the husband of Mary never had sex with his own wife...how would anyone know that for sure? That's a logical.
When Jesus was in town he stayed with Martha and her sister...did the man love woman? Of course- and what is so wrong about that?
There are idiots who say that any mention of siblings (brothers and sisters of Jesus) were a metaphorical - Brother means BROTHER- SISTER MEANS SISTER. Did people think that Mary the mother of Jesus became a nun after the birth of Christ? _ Nuns had not been invented yet!
The humanity of Jesus the Christ is just as important as his divinity.
Hell is real in your mind and belief , thats the root of obsession with it; the human consciousness, not the bible. Obsessions are taught through traditions and passed down to generations. I could show you many scriptures that cancel out your hell, but your faith in the eternal misery, is something that your faith needs to exist, its strongher than scripture.
And you need it in order to condemn others, which is just another obsession.
Your post is absurd, I am not judging no one on here. I am showing them Jesus words, not mine own. Hell is real, you can refute it all you like, however Christians know better, the whole NT of Christ is all about Heaven and Hell. You can read it and not believe it, thats up to you.
...but your man-god said that if you want to be complete you should sell your possessions and give the money to the poor. Now you've obviously ignored that so I was wondering why that was.
BTW. Do you think you could answer that in sentences that have been formulated within your own head...you know, sentences that you have actually constructed yourself? It appears that you have great difficulty in speaking other than in 'Biblequote' which, to the people you are speaking to (mainly atheists), is about as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike.
You see....we don't believe that the Bible is true - so trying to prove a point by quoting from the Bible is...well, about as useful as one-legged man at an arse-kicking contest...know what I mean?
Ok then, well if you dont believe the bible, go read History first then mabey you will be enlighted a bit about the bible. I dont understand how an Atheist can refute and dismiss all of History. Really, its illogical, since they exclude biblical history, the historic Jesus, Saints, etc., etc. etc.,...
Your post is absurd, I am not judging no one on here. I am showing them Jesus words, not mine own. Hell is real, you can refute it all you like, however Christians know better, the whole NT of Christ is all about Heaven and Hell. You can read it and not believe it, thats up to you.
Sarah
Sarah
Hell is referenced in the bible slightly over 76 times, and most of that refers to the grave or a burning garbage pit. Heaven is referenced to over 1,700 times. You can read that for yourself.
Hell is referenced in the bible slightly over 76 times, and most of that refers to the grave or a burning garbage pit. Heaven is referenced to over 1,700 times. You can read that for yourself.
Are you Hebrew,? as most Jews do not believe in Hell fire. I dont know what sect you are, however, it does not matter how many times it is referenced ... It still is real place of torment and a consequence for believers as well as non-believers. Jesus is speaking about eternal damnation regarding a person who is in jepordy of HELL FIRE. One who loses their soul for eternity.
Hell is referenced in the bible slightly over 76 times, and most of that refers to the grave or a burning garbage pit. Heaven is referenced to over 1,700 times. You can read that for yourself.
We all would like to do as we please along with reading and interpreting what we want, rather than what we must do as a Christian.
Most if not all Christians would disagree with your view and or opinon on HELL.
Are you Hebrew,? as most Jews do not believe in Hell fire. I dont know what sect you are, however, it does not matter how many times it is referenced ... It still is real place of torment and a consequence for believers as well as non-believers. Jesus is speaking about eternal damnation regarding a person who is in jepordy of HELL FIRE. One who loses their soul for eternity.
Sarah
I am not in any sect, you assume too much. And you need to study more and stop gobbling down christian tradition on faith. In Hebrew Sheol is the grave, in Greek Hades is the grave, Tartaroo is the grave and a garbage burning pit or a holding place for sinful demons. These comprise 99% of the biblical use of hell. The bible claims this holding place is for demons, not humans.
Christianity likes to use " Gehenna", and claim it means an everlasting tormenting place, which is grossly in error. Gehenna was a place of torment in the valley of Hinnom, southeast of Jerusalem. The valley came to be reguarded as a place of abomination because some of the Isralites sacrificed their children to Moloch there. In a later period it was made a refuse dump and perpetual fires were maintained there to prevent pestilence. Thus, certain christian translators of the New Testement made Gehenna synonymous with their lust for eternal damnation, and many christians today are obsessed still with that same lust for sinners to be tortured.
I am not in any sect, you assume too much. And you need to study more and stop gobbling down christian tradition on faith. In Hebrew Sheol is the grave, in Greek Hades is the grave, Tartaroo is the grave and a garbage burning pit or a holding place for sinful demons. These comprise 99% of the biblical use of hell. The bible claims this holding place is for demons, not humans.
Christianity likes to use " Gehenna", and claim it means an everlasting tormenting place, which is grossly in error. Gehenna was a place of torment in the valley of Hinnom, southeast of Jerusalem. The valley came to be reguarded as a place of abomination because some of the Isralites sacrificed their children to Moloch there. In a later period it was made a refuse dump and perpetual fires were maintained there to prevent pestilence. Thus, certain christian translators of the New Testement made Gehenna synonymous with their lust for eternal damnation, and many christians today are obsessed still with that same lust for sinners to be tortured.
And they actually think God is like them!
Yeah and what does all you have stated above have to do with what christ tells Christians in the bible about damnation, andHELL.?
Nobody wants anyone to go to HELL, people send them-selves there because of dis-belief and self interpretation.
I am going to guess you are muslim, and you believe you shall have 40 virgins waiting for you..??? God does not have pro-creation in Heaven. Sex in heaven is a sin against God and his angels.
Sarah
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