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Not people on this forum. But some of the anti-theist people I've seen clips of. I'm sure all of the heroes of the people on this forum. George Carlin is mild, if anything. But then he usually had something constructive to say, which differentiates him from the rest.
Atheists do tend to swear and cuss pretty freely. Particularly the comedians. It's a taboo that atheism likes to break. Mat Dillahunty occationally swears for emphasis. One phone -in got very stuffy about thgis, and my feeling was "Tellher to go and stuff her rancind fan, and shaft her mucky butt for presming to impose her peg
-sucking religious taboos on others. Bill Burr simply swears all the time. I don't care for it but it's water off my back.
Dawkins doesn't swear - at least not unless he's quoting Christians.
How do you even know you're following what the original Jesus said??????
For the first hundred years after Jesus' crucifixion NOTHING he said had been written down.
...and when it was, one hundred years later, the writers could remember verbatim, every single word that was spoken, where it was spoken, who spoke it and to whom. Pretty amazing huh?
I understand exactly what you are talking about. I have no problem with that kind of swearing.
But trust me, the kind of bitter and angry swearing I hear from people getting angry at religion is NOT the same thing.
Don't kid yourselves people.
I know it is not the same, it is much worse. Angry and bitter about 9/11; the treatment of Asia Bibi; the condom scandal in south Africa; etc.
Didn't I already do this? Atheists are non -theistic. They cannot be 'anti' something they don't think exists.
Theists exist. This is how Ozzy is using the word. And I agree, there are a few atheists who are anti-theist.
But it is also a useful ad hominem for some, who use it to imply ulterior motives to most, if not all atheists. Vic has done this when talking about the subject that bores him, the problem of evil argument.
Or as a claim when an attack on atheism is shown to be too strong, so it is used as an excuse they were talking about anti-theists. Ozzy has used this a few times.
Didn't I already do this? Atheists are non -theistic. They cannot be 'anti' something they don't think exists.
But many of them (including myself) are anti -religion or, more specifically anti the influence of organised religion. We don't mind about religion itself, provided it doesn't impact society the way it does.
Anti-Theism is a valid word and concept. I'm not very impressed by these people, but they are free to exist.
I guess I should use the label "Anti-Theist" to be more specific. Or is it Anti-Religion?
yes, obviously. I know it may be hard to believe, but I go overboard myself sometimes. I use "all", "every", and "100%" when i know better sometimes myself.
Both fit. They ebb and flow back and forth to fit context.
some atheist are anti- fundy theism. Personally, That is something I embrace, not run form. I am proud as all get out when anti-religious socialism call me an animal (as in don't feed the animals) and fundy fascist call me a communist. I tear up, in joy, when those two ends mock me.
Freedom of religion and open use of science demonstrate the emotional and intellectual maturity of a society. that's a fact. That also includes the "low end". I don't have to hide science that theist can use as a springboard. But I can openly challenge theist that misuse science. theist need to do that too.
The foul language of non-believers tells me everything I need to know about non-believers.
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I understand exactly what you are talking about. I have no problem with that kind of swearing.
But trust me, the kind of bitter and angry swearing I hear from people getting angry at religion is NOT the same thing.
Don't kid yourselves people.
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Obviously most atheists are not this way.
I guess I should use the label "Anti-Theist" to be more specific. Or is it Anti-Religion?
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Not people on this forum. But some of the anti-theist people I've seen clips of. I'm sure all of the heroes of the people on this forum. George Carlin is mild, if anything. But then he usually had something constructive to say, which differentiates him from the rest.
Here's a challenge for you, Ozzy. Assuming you have a Facebook account, go follow the Freedom From Religion Foundation. Here's their page: https://www.facebook.com/4ffrf/
Most weeks, usually on Thursday, they publish mail they have received, usually from Christians complaining about their activities. They publish the mail as it is received, with spelling errors, grammar errors, and the foulest language you have ever read. The last time they published their "Crank-mail" was January 25. Relatively speaking, this edition was fairly mild.
Go follow them for a month, or until they have published their mail 4 or 6 times. Then come back to this thread, quote this post, and tell me what you think of the language used by the Christians who have sent mail to them.
p.s. It's worth following them just for the entertainment value of their mail.
...and when it was, one hundred years later, the writers could remember verbatim, every single word that was spoken, where it was spoken, who spoke it and to whom. Pretty amazing huh?
Anti-Theism is a valid word and concept. I'm not very impressed by these people, but they are free to exist.
Yes it is. I just wonder whether these people are anti Theism or anti theists. I'd still think they are anti religion, and with good cause. You are quite free and welcome to purport not to be impressed by them, offended by their bad language (we don't much care ) and bored by their arguments about free will or the like. We for our part are unimpressed by your disapproval. And, contradictory to what Vic said, nobody is telling you what to do.
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) and bored by their arguments about free will or the like. We for our part are unimpressed by your disapproval. And, contradictory to what Vic said, nobody is telling you what to do.
