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Old 02-02-2019, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Chicago area
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Science made me lose faith in some super natural being who knows your every thought. That's just too creepy in my eyes. I believe in evolution and creationism, well, a pipe dream. Yes I was religious once upon a time, but knowledge is my religion now. Faith is for the naive.
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Old 02-02-2019, 02:55 PM
 
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One's faith in an unchanging God doesn't change, because God is unchanging. Faith in other worldly things, even 'religion' is as unreliable as most things of this world.

God has given every person an inborn knowledge of His own eternal power and deity. Those who suppress that truth are without excuse before God. (Rom 1:18-20)

The things of God are foolishness to the natural man because they are Spiritually discerned (1 Cor 2:14)

Only the fool says in his heart, 'there is no God' (Psalms 53:1)

In spite of this, God still reaches out in grace and mercy ... to those who foolishly reject His ways and truths -- and even to those who brag about it!
JG, are you aware we haven't a single shred of proof Paul wrote Romans. He doesn't appear in any secular historical record we can find before roughly the 3rd century nor do his epistles, which weren't gathered together until the end of the 2nd century. So what you are quoting might have come from some scribe out in Saudi Arabia for all we know. And this you pin your faith on. Makes absolute sense in an insane sort of way, I suppose.
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Old 02-02-2019, 06:16 PM
 
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I have to admit ... both sides do it ozzy.

some theist are guilty.

its wash to me. I fear anti-religionist as much as religionist to tell ya truth my man.
I fear the anti-religious more.
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Old 02-02-2019, 06:31 PM
 
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I fear the anti-religious more.
for me, I look at both types running countries and don't see a winner.
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Old 02-03-2019, 03:52 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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One's faith in an unchanging God doesn't change, because God is unchanging.
He certainly changes his mind!
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Old 02-03-2019, 04:55 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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for me, I look at both types running countries and don't see a winner.
You don't? Have you tried looking at the data?
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Old 02-03-2019, 06:44 AM
 
Location: TX
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Interesting that the sense that god is reaching out/active in a person's life can be attributed to the person's psychological states and emotions, but not the sense that god isn't reaching out/is inactive...
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Old 02-03-2019, 06:52 AM
 
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Interesting that the sense that god is reaching out/active in a person's life can be attributed to the person's psychological states and emotions, but not the sense that god isn't reaching out/is inactive...
and that's what i though i saw you saying. I am not sure why people are so hard against the notion.

but let men try and clarify incase I am that just that far off ...

Is your base claim ... There is no possible way that the fralaties that we associate with being human are not in both camps. (atheist and theist)
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Old 02-03-2019, 06:59 AM
 
Location: TX
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and that's what i though i saw you saying. I am not sure why people are so hard against the notion.

but let men try and clarify incase I am that just that far off ...

Is your base claim ... There is no possible way that the fralaties that we associate with being human are not in both camps. (atheist and theist)
That was my first post on this thread, so you might have me confused with someone else. Also, I don't understand your question. But my point is just that if we're going to count one sense/feeling as veridical (telling us the truth about reality), why can't we/someone else count the opposite sense/feeling as veridical just the same?
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Old 02-03-2019, 07:04 AM
 
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You don't? Have you tried looking at the data?
I only do data.

Like I said, I hate injustice. I focus in the injustice not the hate. We can use hate to motivate us, that is just fine. The problem is when people like you are defining their lives on hate and not stopping injustice.
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