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yes, you did choose to be born, including the family, gender, education, economic status, country, language, culture, body, all of it, custom chosen by you at the soul level to give you the optimal circumstances for the specific growth needed by your own soul.
I don't recall doing that. Do you recall choosing to be born?
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Test the words of Jesus and see if He lies to you.
Ahhhh... I see. You believe in magical entities. Tell us again about why donkey's talk? Outside of Shrek, I mean. Oh, and BTW, doing the bold stuff, doesn't make your point any better, just more annoying.
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The age of writings has little to do with their validity.
But if they are to be accepted, then one would expect to have confirmation by other writings. There are none. One would expect confirmation by archaeology. There are none.
Examples? There is no record of zombies walking around Jerusalem outside of the bible. There are no artifacts in the Sinai indicating an encampment of 2 million people.
The age of writings has little to do with their validity.
It actually does, because it reflects how little was known scientifically in the given time span and place, hence the inaccuracy in attempting to explain the world around oneself (and therefore, the stories/myths to fill the knowledge gap).
I have 'faith', that gives me 'hope', something that a non-believer does not have.
You obviously see faith as a good thing. It isn't. It is the common denominator in every scam in human history.
...and you left out the other two points that I made. Please address them. Let me help you by summarising:
I asked you to explain how, as Yahweh pre-determines someone's life, how can they make a free-will choice that will change what Yahweh has planned for them.
You said that God absolutely does not pre-determine someone's life.
I said that the Bible disagrees with you and gave you Bible verses that specifically say that God DOES pre-determine our lives.
Your answer to this was that you do not follow the Bible so couldn't help me regarding what is written in it.
Later, on another matter, you stated that you believe what God has told you in his book.
I am asking what book you are referring to. Are you refering to the Bible...that you do not follow or does 'God' have another book that I'm not aware of?
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Will God throw some humans into fire? Probably yes.
Why?
Because he can.
And we cannot do anything about it.
The cruel man will beat his children and his wife.
Why?
Because he can
...and in your world, 'because he can' is reason enough to do it.
It actually does, because it reflects how little was known scientifically in the given time span and place, hence the inaccuracy in attempting to explain the world around oneself (and therefore, the stories/myths to fill the knowledge gap).
True, but it doesn't negate their observations and experiences, just subjects them to further investigation and the application of advanced knowledge and understanding to sort out the wheat from the primitive and barbaric chaff.
True, but it doesn't negate their observations and experiences, just subjects them to further investigation and the application of advanced knowledge and understanding to sort out the wheat from the primitive and barbaric chaff.
If we're talking about the OT as a whole, there's no way those stories - Adam and Eve, Noah, Abraham, any of it - were based on any of the writers' observations. Those are flat out stories, stories that attempted to give a background and explain a confusing world. They are a mythology, for one specific culture.
True, but it doesn't negate their observations and experiences, just subjects them to further investigation and the application of advanced knowledge and understanding to sort out the wheat from the primitive and barbaric chaff.
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If we're talking about the OT as a whole, there's no way those stories - Adam and Eve, Noah, Abraham, any of it - were based on any of the writers' observations. Those are flat out stories, stories that attempted to give a background and explain a confusing world. They are a mythology, for one specific culture.
You missed the word "experiences" which include oral histories and syncretistic adaptations of even more ancient oral histories - ab initio.
You missed the word "experiences" which include oral histories and syncretistic adaptations of even more ancient oral histories - ab initio.
I'm sorry, I'm not following. If just hearing a story is an experience then Cinderella is an experience of mine - that fact doesn't give the Cinderella story validity.
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