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Freedom: Is this your opinion, or did God actually say such things?
He actually said such things. When man was banned from the Edenic Earth that He designed for us, due to sin and disobedience.
Hey if you talk to loud in the library, your warned, and then kicked out.
He actually said such things. When man was banned from the Edenic Earth that He designed for us, due to sin and disobedience.
Hey if you talk to loud in the library, your warned, and then kicked out.
godspeed,
freedom
Now your referencing the Bible, without regard to the millions of people throughout the world of various religions who do not follow or believe in the Bible.
Now your referencing the Bible, without regard to the millions of people throughout the world of various religions who do not follow or believe in the Bible.
Its more likely billions of people. So does it make the bible not true, because it is not in every religion?
Most of the world doesn't have indoor plumbing either.
I have thoughts about what happens to folks in other countries, other cultures, other ways of life, but that's another thread.
You are my friend, and I kinda like you around, so I say "What about you?"
Hey hey! That was such a nice thing to hear...thank you.
What about me, meaning what do I believe? Well, I definitely believe in God, but have trouble "believing" in Christianity. It's hard because if you don't believe, you can't just "decide to" believe. I've often wished I could, so that I didn't have to doubt or be outside the majority.
I was only very loosely raised Christian (specifically, Catholic) until about age seven, at which time my parents divorced and my mother started bashing Catholicism and organized religion in general and proclaimed herself an agnostic. However, she'd pull out the God card once in a while to scare the sh*t out of us kids. "If you say you hate your sister, 'hate' means you wish someone dead, and wishing someone dead is a sin, and God can see into your heart so you're going to go to hell." Stuff like that.
I know, I know. These heartwarming childhood stories!
So I've never "believed", exactly. I mean not in a concrete way...with God being a dude, and Jesus having done X, Y and Z exactly as Hollywood has shown us (down to the blonde hair and shaved armpits and chest), and loud booming voices and blind people seeing and all that.
But I do believe in God. Firmly. Oddly enough! Considering how I was raised...the odds were stacked against that. Hopefully that counts for something when God is yanking His beard trying to decide whether to give me wings or plunge me into the bowels of hell to have my skin flayed and chewed up by the Devil for nine bazillion years or what-have-you.
So, R, I HOPE that was what you were asking. Because otherwise...I'm going to feel like a right *ss for this lengthy self-centered hijack!
Carry on, folks...back to our regularly scheduled programming...
Now, let me get this right. According to the Bible, God can do All Things. He created the stars, sky and universe; all of mankind and animal life, and everything that is, God created.
But, when it comes to speaking directly to his most esteemed creation-- Man; God decided to speak thousands of years ago through Prophets, Popes, Bishops, Apostles, Muhammad, Jesus, etc, many of whom have lied and misled the people.
I cannot help from wondering why, if God has all of this Power, why doesn't God make it easy for man and speak in a clear audible voice to each person, not this spiritual internal voice stuff Christians keep referring to and many Chistians mistake for their own thoughts.
I am trying to be open-mined about religion, and the Bible, but so much of it just makes no sense.
""The prophets Isaiah & Ezekiel dined with me, and I asked them how they dared so roundly to assert that God spoke to them; and whether they did not think at the time that they would be misunderstood, and so be the cause of imposition.
Isaiah answered: "I saw no God, nor heard any, `in a finite organical perception'; but my senses discovered the infinite in everything, and as I was then persuaded, and remained confirmed, that the voice on honest indignation is the voice of God, I cared not for the consequences but wrote.'
Then I asked: `Does a firm persuasion that a thing is so, make it so?
He replied: "All poets believe that it does, and in ages of imagination this firm persuasion moved mountains; but many are not capable of a firm persuasion of anything."
Now, let me get this right. According to the Bible, God can do All Things. He created the stars, sky and universe; all of mankind and animal life, and everything that is, God created.
But, when it comes to speaking directly to his most esteemed creation-- Man; God decided to speak thousands of years ago through Prophets, Popes, Bishops, Apostles, Muhammad, Jesus, etc, many of whom have lied and misled the people.
I cannot help from wondering why, if God has all of this Power, why doesn't God make it easy for man and speak in a clear audible voice to each person, not this spiritual internal voice stuff Christians keep referring to and many Chistians mistake for their own thoughts.
I am trying to be open-mined about religion, and the Bible, but so much of it just makes no sense.
I don't really wanna hear God talking to people about things that's really none of my business. I couldn't handle trillions of conversations going on with God all at one time. I surely don't wanna hear some God hater cursing God out loud, because of something God said to him or her. we get enough of that already in this life.
I think that there is enough noise in the world than to have to hear people's hush-hush sins made public cause God has the right to talk about it. besides if God told someone to go left how do we know if four other people won't start going left just because they thought God was talking to them. people ignore God enough in their hearts. I wouldn't want to be walking down the street and hear God calling Bob over and over again, while getting louder by the minute as bob shamelessly walks down the street with his fingers in his ears, and humming as loud as he can.
nope that just wouldn't work. anyways men would never credit God's voice worth listening to, and would probably come up with some technology that helps drown out his voice. opps, that's already been done hasn't it?
But, when it comes to speaking directly to his most esteemed creation-- Man; God decided to speak thousands of years ago through Prophets, Popes, Bishops, Apostles, Muhammad, Jesus, etc, many of whom have lied and misled the people.
My quick response is this: First of all, of those you list, God only spoke through the prophets. I don't believe God ever spoke his authoritative words through popes, bishops, or Muhammad. The apostles never really spoke God's words they were more like the ones used by God to set up the Christian church. Jesus Christ in the Christian faith, is God Himself, so I think you have your answer. God came down to earth and spoke to his people, even sacrificed himself for the world. Another thing; God probably speaks through all of us at times; whether that is for the encouragement of others, for their comfort or whatever, God is always communicating with us. As to why God doesn't call down to all of us on a megaphone, I don't know. A good friend of mine offered some interesting insight though. He said, "why doesn't God make it very clear to us that He exists? Why doesn't he perform many miracles and give us many signs so that we can believe? Well the Bible says that God has given signs and miracles, and the truth is that people didn't believe anyway."
My quick response is this: First of all, of those you list, God only spoke through the prophets. I don't believe God ever spoke his authoritative words through popes, bishops, or Muhammad. The apostles never really spoke God's words they were more like the ones used by God to set up the Christian church. Jesus Christ in the Christian faith, is God Himself, so I think you have your answer. God came down to earth and spoke to his people, even sacrificed himself for the world. Another thing; God probably speaks through all of us at times; whether that is for the encouragement of others, for their comfort or whatever, God is always communicating with us. As to why God doesn't call down to all of us on a megaphone, I don't know. A good friend of mine offered some interesting insight though. He said, "why doesn't God make it very clear to us that He exists? Why doesn't he perform many miracles and give us many signs so that we can believe? Well the Bible says that God has given signs and miracles, and the truth is that people didn't believe anyway."
The writer of the above post may not believe that the Christian God speaks or spoke through Popes, Bishops, etc., but the Bible clearly states that God speaks his world through Preachers, Bishops, Popes, etc. If this were not the case, would it not be rather strange to say the least, for laymen in the Church to follow the teachings of Church leaders who God isn't even speaking thru? In essence, there would be no need for a church if God were not speaking through those who he supposedly, appointed or annointed to lead the people.
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well for me...
that just wouldn't work. anyways men would never credit God's voice worth listening to, and would probably come up with some technology that helps drown out his voice. 
opps, that's already been done hasn't it?
